Is College Bull****? I think it is.

[Megalodon]

Dustin,

Here are some unabashed Ad Homs for ya.

You're a self-important twit who thinks a dead body is referred to as a "kidaber".

It's obvious to anyone with a room-temperature IQ that you have lost this debate, but you're too dense to see it.

You still haven't admitted your error when you stated that it's illegal to practice law without having attended law school. That's because you're an idiot. A knuckle dragging, mouth breathing idiot.

I think I'll stop at 3 Ad Homs, because if I kept going I'd be typing for a very long time.

Oh, and I'll save you a mouseclick by clicking on the rolleyes smiley for you.



Dolt.

The first one seems more like an insult than an ad-hom... An ad hom would be "Your idea is silly because you're a self-important twit who thinks a dead body is referred to as a "kidaber"."

The second is more begging the question, but the third... That one is a really unabashed ad hom (or stating the obvious, one of the two).

Education in a number of fields requires access to expensive, complex and (more times than not) dangerous equipment and materials. Self-schooling would mean that the state would need to relax their standards of verification for purchases of such materials. Afterall, you can't deny someone the chance of self-improvement, can you?

On the other hand, I've heard it all before... It's always the guys that don't cut it that complain about how elitist and silly it is. I heard it in college, I heard it in my dojo, I heard it in my gym... Something difficult to achieve is always silly and unimportant to those who fail.

And to finish a vacuous post with some free strawmen:

"That guy never went to college, but he taught himself lots. I'll let him make the calculations for the structure of my new skyrise"

"Yes, let's allow those self-taught individuals to purchase big amounts of uranium and big lines of centrifuges for their particular nuclear physics studies. It's only fair, afterall... Why should colleges have all the fun?"

"Of course I can remove those cataracts! I read all that was written about it! Now hold my beer and watch this..."

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Dustin,

Here are some unabashed Ad Homs for ya.

You're a self-important twit who thinks a dead body is referred to as a "kidaber".

It's obvious to anyone with a room-temperature IQ that you have lost this debate, but you're too dense to see it.

You still haven't admitted your error when you stated that it's illegal to practice law without having attended law school. That's because you're an idiot. A knuckle dragging, mouth breathing idiot.

I think I'll stop at 3 Ad Homs, because if I kept going I'd be typing for a very long time.

Oh, and I'll save you a mouseclick by clicking on the rolleyes smiley for you.



Dolt.

I could refute all of the nonsense in this post...But i'd rather report you to the moderators for violation of the rules.


Which is what I did.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

On the other hand, I've heard it all before... It's always the guys that don't cut it that complain about how elitist and silly it is. I heard it in college, I heard it in my dojo, I heard it in my gym... Something difficult to achieve is always silly and unimportant to those who fail.

All of the people who I quoted were extremely successful individuals who mostly didn't even ATTEMPT to 'cut it' in college and still criticize it.

This is simply an ad hom. Attacking the fact that they didn't go to college as an argument against their claims about college.

It's like saying "all of those atheists who deny religion are the ones who couldn't understand the bible."


BTW your 'dojo'? Haha!

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

What is the cost of college education in America today anyway? I'm sure you can pay through the nose by going to the most prestigious private institutions, but what about elsewhere? The UC system is a state-run one and at least has some good research campuses, is that cheaper?

Sincerely,
The guy who's paying for it all through taxes

The average price of a 4 year college in America is about $40,000.

 

[CFLarsen]

The average price of a 4 year college in America is about $40,000.

And yet, you can get it for $2,682.

Does this in any way make you reconsider your view, Dustin?

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

BTW...Concerning the claim that you must have a degree in law inorder to become a lawyer in the U.S. has been refuted.

Here is the site that supposedly refuted that claim.

What Are The Cold Hard Facts About How to Become a Lawyer?
Becoming a lawyer in the United States normally requires following a rigid path with many barriers that are placed in your way.
Fact : You must first obtain a college degree
Fact : You need a high Grade Point Average (GPA)
Fact : You need high scores on the Law School Admission Test (LSAT)
Fact : You must make it past the law school's admissions' committee
Fact : Pay huge tuition fees
Fact : Attend an American Bar Association (ABA) approved law school
Fact : Pass the bar examination

http://www.lawschoolbible.com/



Ehem....Who's the 'knuckle dragging, mouth breathing idiot' again?


I rest my case about the claim that graduation from college doesn't equal ability to reason or intelligence.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

And yet, you can get it for $2,682.

Does this in any way make you reconsider your view, Dustin?

Good grief Larsen...You need to learn to read your own sources.

Listed below are the most expensive colleges -- as well as those that will make the smallest impact on your pocketbook. All of the figures are based on tuition and required fees charged to first-time, full-time undergraduates at four-year colleges and universities, based on a nine-month academic year of 30 semester hours or 45 quarter hours.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CollegeandFamily/Cutcollegecosts/P125902.asp

 

[timhau]

The average price of a 4 year college in America is about $40,000.

OK, thanks. Could you (or someone else) give a couple of examples of schools that charge that much?

BTW, that 40 grand just tuition, right? What should you expect to pay for room and board in a college dorm?

 

[Megalodon]

All of the people who I quoted were extremely successful individuals who mostly didn't even ATTEMPT to 'cut it' in college and still criticize it.

This is simply an ad hom. Attacking the fact that they didn't go to college as an argument against their claims about college.

It's like saying "all of those atheists who deny religion are the ones who couldn't understand the bible."


BTW your 'dojo'? Haha!

No, this is using humour to point to the fact that you are oblivious to what you are talking about.

About the succesfull individuals you mentioned (in some of the cases wrongly): Let's start talking about percentages here... What is the percentage of succesfull individuals in, for instance, physics, that were not college educated. I leave it to you to define what is success, I will accept it.

BTW, do you have a problem with the word dojo? Or is it one more place that you never managed to cut it?
I remember! You're the guy who punches with his pecs

JLam had it right: Dolt!

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

OK, thanks. Could you (or someone else) give a couple of examples of schools that charge that much?

BTW, that 40 grand just tuition, right? What should you expect to pay for room and board in a college dorm?

I could give examples of colleges that charge hundreds of thousands of dollars but the 'average' tuition is $11,354(From CNN) Meaning about 45,000 for 4 years.


I have no idea how much room and board would cost.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

About the succesfull individuals you mentioned (in some of the cases wrongly): Let's start talking about percentages here... What is the percentage of succesfull individuals in, for instance, physics, that were not college educated. I leave it to you to define what is success, I will accept it.

Averages are irrelevant to the discussion.

BTW, do you have a problem with the word dojo? Or is it one more place that you never managed to cut it?
I remember! You're the guy who punches with his pecs

Straight punches are powered mainly by the pectoral muscles of the chest. This is obvious to anyone who knows anything about the human body.

Now you know why I laughed when you said "dojo".

 

[CFLarsen]

Good grief Larsen...You need to learn to read your own sources.


http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CollegeandFamily/Cutcollegecosts/P125902.asp

I could give examples of colleges that charge hundreds of thousands of dollars but the 'average' tuition is $11,354(From CNN) Meaning about 45,000 for 4 years.

I have no idea how much room and board would cost.

I rest my case.

How old are you, Dustin?

What is your educational background?

 

[Megalodon]

BTW...Concerning the claim that you must have a degree in law inorder to become a lawyer in the U.S. has been refuted.

Ehem....Who's the 'knuckle dragging, mouth breathing idiot' again?

You are...

Linky

Check out page 2... BTW, you were told this before...

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

I rest my case.

How old are you, Dustin?

What is your educational background?

Evading my refutation of your lie with red herrings I see...

 

[Megalodon]

Averages are irrelevant to the discussion.

Of course they would be... if I had talked about them. I talked percentages, which is a different thing.

Straight punches are powered mainly by the pectoral muscles of the chest. This is obvious to anyone who knows anything about the human body.

If you believe that, I guess I'm not seeing you fight for a title anytime soon

Now you know why I laughed when you said "dojo".

Yes, because you're a dolt... but we had established that already.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

You are...

Linky

Check out page 2... BTW, you were told this before...

Nowhere on that page does it say you don't need a college degree or need to attend law school to become part of the Bar. The page talks about unaccredited law schools and the such but it does not say you can become a lawyer or take the bar exam without attending a law school.


You might want to get your money back that you spent on college. It seems they didn't even teach you to read.

 

[CFLarsen]

Evading my refutation of your lie with red herrings I see...

No, really.

How old are you, Dustin?

What is your educational background?

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

No, really.

How old are you, Dustin?

What is your educational background?

Red herring. Irrelevant to the conversation.


I won't respond to anymore posts asking irrelevant questions about my personal life.

 

[brodski]

Perhaps a college education would have helped Dustin to realise that any website which offers to see you a book, revealing the "hidden truths" which the establishment won't tell you, is either a scam or a CT (or both).
I'm mean, the formatting alone at http://www.lawschoolbible.com/ is enough to set my woo alarm off.

 

[Megalodon]

Nowhere on that page does it say you don't need a college degree or need to attend law school to become part of the Bar. The page talks about unaccredited law schools and the such but it does not say you can become a lawyer or take the bar exam without attending a law school.


You might want to get your money back that you spent on college. It seems they didn't even teach you to read.

From the link, on page 2, as directed :"In addition, applicants who have not attended law school may qualify to take the examination if they trained in a law office or judge’s chambers for four years in accordance with certain rules and procedures and meet certain additional requirements."

You are too stupid to argue with... This exchange is over.