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More trouble in LC paradise. JohnDoe takes his research and goes home.

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I noticed a few things...
We currently have over 10 pilots and growing at Pilots For Truth. Current combined experience is over 40,000 Hours flight time with ATP, Commercial, Primary and Advanced Flight Instructors etc...

...Kingair001 and I flew for the same airline. We both together have combined experience of over 15,000 hours total flight time.
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Can someone tell me if these numbers sound right? They don't to me.

They're talking about an AVERAGE of 4,000hrs per pilot, which seems low. It is made worse when you consider that Kingair001 and John between them apparantly have 15,000 hrs, and furthermore some of these 10 are apparantly instructors.

Considering that the absolute minimum to even qualify for ATP is 1500hrs, and airlines generally hire people well above the legal minimums, this seems far below what is likely.

How many hours would be typical for an airline pilot for 20 years experience?

-Andrew
 
gumboot said:
I noticed a few things...



Can someone tell me if these numbers sound right? They don't to me.

They're talking about an AVERAGE of 4,000hrs per pilot, which seems low. It is made worse when you consider that Kingair001 and John between them apparantly have 15,000 hrs, and furthermore some of these 10 are apparantly instructors.

Considering that the absolute minimum to even qualify for ATP is 1500hrs, and airlines generally hire people well above the legal minimums, this seems far below what is likely.

How many hours would be typical for an airline pilot for 20 years experience?

-Andrew
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They also have 18 registered members on the forum, including the following 10 non-pilots:
valis
behind
Cary
painter
Snowygrouch
CrazyBlade
datars
HotDogBun
Merc
Roy Sinister

There are other screen names I don't recognize, but even if all are pilots, it leaves only 8. If JohndoeX has over 10 pilots, then at least two of them are non-participating members.
 
Mother effer. JDX was my best hope of getting permanently banned over there.

Now I'll never get my badge.
 
gumboot said:
Can someone tell me if these numbers sound right? They don't to me.

They're talking about an AVERAGE of 4,000hrs per pilot, which seems low. It is made worse when you consider that Kingair001 and John between them apparantly have 15,000 hrs, and furthermore some of these 10 are apparantly instructors.

Considering that the absolute minimum to even qualify for ATP is 1500hrs, and airlines generally hire people well above the legal minimums, this seems far below what is likely.

How many hours would be typical for an airline pilot for 20 years experience?
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I was kinda wondering that myself and if you subtract the 15,000 from Mr D'oh and Kingair, thats 25,000 hrs between 8, closer to 3,000 hrs per pilot.

Thats pretty weak for a pro or an instructor unless they are all newhires

Unless I'm wrong, the airlines actually have fairly low minimum qualifications(ie 2500 hrs, ATP, 500 multi, etc) but thats only to get them to even look at you. When I hired on at my airline, I was talking to a pilot applicant in the lobby who said he was trying to get one of three spots and there were 30 plus interviewees who were chosen out of 200 initial applicants!! I cant remember his total time, but it was high and said he didnt feel like he had a chance. So, I'd imagine the guys getting hired have at least double(triple?) the mimimum requirements or better.

Just a guess, but I'd say a 20 year pro has over 12000-15000 hours total or better...and thats only flying 8-12 hours a week.
 
Personally, I subscribe to the theory that Johndoex has never piloted a plane in his life. He's uttered way too may howlers to be taken seriously. In his "fight" with Billzilla, not only didn't he get a single punch in, he couldn't even raise his hands to protect himself. To me, everything he's done is consistent with some poser who's hung around enough aviation chat rooms to become superficially familiar with the jargon, enough to fool the ever-gullible kids at the LC forum. I could be wrong of course, but I believe the man is a total fake.
 
Stellafane said:
Personally, I subscribe to the theory that Johndoex has never piloted a plane in his life. He's uttered way too may howlers to be taken seriously. In his "fight" with Billzilla, not only didn't he get a single punch in, he couldn't even raise his hands to protect himself. To me, everything he's done is consistent with some poser who's hung around enough aviation chat rooms to become superficially familiar with the jargon, enough to fool the ever-gullible kids at the LC forum. I could be wrong of course, but I believe the man is a total fake.
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That's the beauty of the trooth movement though Stell.... Even if he is a fake and is exposed as such, then it was obvious he was planted within the movement to spread government disinformation and discredit the rest of them.
 
New additions to JohnDoeX's flights of fancy forums:
v2rot8, an AA flight attendant who was branded a shill at the LC forums
and billzilla, who creamed JDX at the LC forums--joined today, made one post, and was banned (I can't find the post, so I assume it was deleted)
 
realitybites said:
That's the beauty of the trooth movement though Stell.... Even if he is a fake and is exposed as such, then it was obvious he was planted within the movement to spread government disinformation and discredit the rest of them.
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Can you imagine what life must be like with that kind of outlook? Every time you do something right, you give yourself credit. Every time something goes wrong, it's because they are conspiring against you. And with so many of them out there watching you, it proves just how important you are. It must be so easy to become megolaniacal and assume you're the most important person in the world, because even when you fail, it's just more evidence that you're right! For someone without a whole lot of success in life, no wonder it's so seductive.
 
chipmunk stew said:
New additions to JohnDoeX's flights of fancy forums:
v2rot8, an AA flight attendant who was branded a shill at the LC forums
and billzilla, who creamed JDX at the LC forums--joined today, made one post, and was banned (I can't find the post, so I assume it was deleted)
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I suspect billzilla was banned the moment JDX saw his name, irrespective of the content of the post.
 
Stellafane said:
I suspect billzilla was banned the moment JDX saw his name, irrespective of the content of the post.
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Well I personally wouldn't want someone around my forum who has more knowledge than I did on a subject I claimed to be an expert in. It would give me low self esteem.
 
realitybites said:
Well I personally wouldn't want someone around my forum who has more knowledge than I did on a subject I claimed to be an expert in. It would give me low self esteem.
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For JDX I think that can be modified to "I personally wouldn't want someone around my forum who has knowledge."
 
Absolutely right...

Stellafane said:
Can you imagine what life must be like with that kind of outlook? Every time you do something right, you give yourself credit. Every time something goes wrong, it's because they are conspiring against you. And with so many of them out there watching you, it proves just how important you are. It must be so easy to become megolaniacal and assume you're the most important person in the world, because even when you fail, it's just more evidence that you're right! For someone without a whole lot of success in life, no wonder it's so seductive.
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Dead-on accurate, and not only for 9/11 nutters, but for Holocaust deniers as well. Interesting to see that some of the 9/11 nutters have written or are linked to neo-Nazi outfits like Spotlight and the American Free Press...I guess both 9/11 and the Holocaust are conspiracies by the Satanic Jews and the Learned Elders of Zion.

However, your point is right...a lot of the meat of Conspiracy Theory writing (and I've waded through it) are unimportant writers and people trying to exaggerate their own sense of self-importance, usually at the expense of their confreres in conspiracy theory. Despite their commonality of views and outlooks, they dislike each other and regard each other as rivals and potential enemies. They battle with each other for followers and money. When they discover the rip-offs or clash over theories, they fall into accusing each other of being government plants.

The other section of their outrageous sense of self-importance is, as you say, how they consider themselves the center of the world. Their inability to make a million bucks and have a panel show on CBS or CNN is proof of their extreme importance...the government MUST be trying to bring them down. That's the only reason they could fail in life. Not because their theories are ridiculous, their behavior is juvenile, and their manners are offensive...it's because some nameless and invisible bureaucrat/forger/banker/spy has devoted his life to foiling the conspiracy nutter's life.

It covers for the fact that they are failures in everything from logical thinking to balancing a checkbook. And it makes it easier for them to cope with utter failure in life and provides a justification and cushion for their failures...they're not a lunatic who still lives in his parents' basement at age 45 and has yet to make acquaintance with income taxes or a clean shirt...they're the central figure in the movement to learn the truth about 9/11, which will thus bring the entire government, economic, and social structure to its knees...and put that lunar tune out of his parents' basement and in the White House Oval Office...and boy, then those guys who beat him up in junior high school will be sorry! :D
 
Remember those people who used to walk around mumbling to themselves, the ones everyone avoided? Well, thanks to the internet, they can now post those mumblings for all to see. And guess what? There's a lot of other disaffected losers out there mumbling the same stuff. Viola! a movement is born.

The internet didn't invent conspiracy movements, but it has allowed even the terminally lazy to join one.
 
JohnDoeX speaks! Would be interesting to hear what kind of public speaker he is...

I will be giving Jack Blood an interview on his radio show today regarding the research recently released by the Flight Data Recorder Research team. Please tune in.

I dont have the direct url, but hopefully someone can post it.

Todays agenda-

-My background. over 20 years flying.. over 10 professionally.. 5 airline. Commercially rated. Certified Flight Instructor, primary and advanced.
- Pilots For Truth Combined total flight time of over 100,000 hours experience (and growing rapidly as more pilots come on board)
-Continental, TWA, American, Independence Air
-Airline Transport Rated pilots, Flight Instructors, Commercial Pilots
-Computer Experts/Professionals who decoded the files via Excel and OpenOffice
-Russell Pickering
-Merc (eyewitness expert)
- NTSB FDR FOIA (2 years.. GWU.. etc)
-Skeptics received the same information 911myths.com
-Animation came from UK and matches the FDR data files we have
-Official story says AA77 hit the light poles
-Video from DoD shows aircraft level across the lawn
-ground elevation of light poles at 40 feet
-light poles at another 37 feet
-FDR data shows aircraft at almost 480 feet above the light poles. margin for error +/- 75 feet based on Federal Aviation Regulations
- explain altimeter settings, Why does it show 180 feet if its at 480?
- FDR data from NTSB in direct conflict with Offical story
-NTSB refuses to comment when Russell Pickering asked.
-If the NTSB data is accurate, impossible for the DoD video to be showing aircraft level across the lawn.
-BBC video clip shows what appears to be a B52 over the pentagon at time of impact
-possiblities and pure speculation (BBC plane flyover... dropped a drone.. etc)

Transponder (Meigs)
-Washington airspace
-Primary and Secondary radar.. explain
-Scenarios explain (Class Bravo Airspace)
-Arrival path of Flight 77 according to official story
-330 degree maneuver vs. straight path to pentagon (Why use the turn to expose yourself to intercept?)

Websites to visit...
http://pilotsfor911truth.bravehost.com/index.html
http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Trut...c=16&st=0&#last
http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Trut...hp?showtopic=15
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...showtopic=11382

Wish me luck as its my first interview on the air...
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totalskeptic

Johndoex.

You have banned billzilla and stopped him from making posts on your new forum.

Bill claims you are a coward and a hypocrite. He says you are afraid to debate with him one and one and claims you are liar.

If these claims are untrue then Bill wishes to lay down a direct challenge to you to debate one on one.

billzilla says he is an experience pilot with many hours of piloting skills, if these claims are untrue you will have no problem accepting this challenge and reinstate Billzilla and debate him.

I am the messenger, ban me if you wish, it makes no odds to me other than to prove you will not debate with Billzilla and he is correct.


johndoeX
Bill had his chance to debate me.. he was rude, egotistical, unprofessional, without ethics whatsoever and attempted character assassination based on a sarcastic post on an internet message board. In which the FAA got a HUGE laugh out of by the way from what i understand. They think hes a tool.

If Bill wants to debate... sure.. we can debate. Tell him to start with this, review it thoroughly, review pressure altitude vs. true altitude. Then tell me how this airplane could have hit the light poles.

Have him write up his statement in a professional manner.. email it to you.. and print it here...

Other than that.. he is not welcome here due to his name calling, personal attacks and feeble attempts at character assassination since its obvious he didnt know how to debate the facts.


I think Bill is a menace to all professional pilots everywhere.. ALPA and the FAA knows who he is...
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Interesting tidbit from this thread which may not be there for much longer.

The FAA got a huge laugh out of billzilla? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:
 
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