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More trouble in LC paradise. JohnDoe takes his research and goes home.

Class said:
Need a link to this NOW.
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Oops, sorry for the delay. I was away from the computer.

Here is the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.co...?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=25569#25670


It's post #41:

John Doe II (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-29-04 01:46 PM
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41. No, I'm not a pilot

The 330° turn began according to the CR (p. 9) at 9:34. As newspaper account place Olson's call at 9:30 and she says nothing about any plan I don't really see how within only four minutes the passengers could have passed infos, come up with a plan, stormed the cockpit door and lead Hani to start his final action and all this in less than four minutes.
You say nosediving isn't simple. As I said I'm not a pilot. But for my common sense nosediving into a building of the size of the Pentagon seems clearly less difficult as going for the Hani Hanjour turn and crash the plane between the first and second floor of the Pentagon. If you think otherwse or if you could simply point out the special difficulties of nosediving I'd be very interested. As honestly I'm simply lacking any special knowledge and base my assumption only on common sense.
 
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LashL said:
Oops, sorry for the delay. I was away from the computer.

Here is the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.co...?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=25569#25670


It's post #41:

John Doe II (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov-29-04 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. No, I'm not a pilot

The 330° turn began according to the CR (p. 9) at 9:34. As newspaper account place Olson's call at 9:30 and she says nothing about any plan I don't really see how within only four minutes the passengers could have passed infos, come up with a plan, stormed the cockpit door and lead Hani to start his final action and all this in less than four minutes.
You say nosediving isn't simple. As I said I'm not a pilot. But for my common sense nosediving into a building of the size of the Pentagon seems clearly less difficult as going for the Hani Hanjour turn and crash the plane between the first and second floor of the Pentagon. If you think otherwse or if you could simply point out the special difficulties of nosediving I'd be very interested. As honestly I'm simply lacking any special knowledge and base my assumption only on common sense.
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Are you sure that is the JohnDoe that we all know and love? The name there is John Doe II. Do you have any other evidence that shows it is the same guy?
 
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Are you sure that is the JohnDoe that we all know and love? The name there is John Doe II. Do you have any other evidence that shows it is the same guy?
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He's the same John Doe who is a member of the team8 group. He got banned at DU quite some time ago, but the stuff at team8 still shows him under the same name and the JDX guy claims to be the team8 guy, does he not?

Or am I totally off base here?
 
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He's the same John Doe who is a member of the team8 group. He got banned at DU quite some time ago, but the stuff at team8 still shows him under the same name and the JDX guy claims to be the team8 guy, does he not?

Or am I totally off base here?
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I think it may be him. The arguments(even though they are 2 years old) are basically the same between the Does.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is team8?
 
Well, maybe it's not the same guy and I'm totally wrong. I actually just always thought they were the same person because their arguments were always the same on every forum in which I see him/them.

On the LC forum, though, I now see that John Doe II is a member as well as John Doe X (but the former has only a few posts over the course of several months while the latter has thousands) - so maybe I was leaping to conclusions. (Oddly enough, though, the last activity of each of them was today, despite the vast disparity in the number of posts each of them has).

The team8 group is a group of conspiracy theorists who think they've got it all figured out. They tend to focus on the airplanes and the hijackers rather than any of the other CTs. They adhere to the multiple plane theory, as opposed to the no plane theory, and they are proponents of the super secret landings and herding all the passengers on to a secret flight and either dumping them in the sea, killing them elsewhere, or having them all living happily ever after in some undisclosed location (along with the living hijackers, I guess).

Nonetheless, I have to now say that unless and until I can prove that John Doe II is the same person as John Doe X, I must withdraw my assertion. I should have looked for that supporting evidence before I posted this but, as I said, I have always thought that they were one and same because of the overlapping names, dates, posts, themes for so long on various forums. But they could actually be different people, and I will have to look further.

Mea culpa.

Sorry about that.
 
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LashL said:
Well, maybe it's not the same guy and I'm totally wrong. I actually just always thought they were the same person because their arguments were always the same on every forum in which I see him/them.

On the LC forum, though, I now see that John Doe II is a member as well as John Doe X (but the former has only a few posts over the course of several months while the latter has thousands) - so maybe I was leaping to conclusions.
The team8 group is a group of conspiracy theorists who think they've got it all figured out. They tend to focus on the airplanes and the hijackers rather than any of the other CTs. They adhere to the multiple plane theory, as opposed to the no plane theory, and they are proponents of the super secret landings and herding all the passengers on to a secret flight and either dumping them in the sea, killing them elsewhere, or having them all living happily ever after in some undisclosed location (along with the living hijackers, I guess).

Nonetheless, I have to now say that unless and until I can prove that John Doe II is the same person as John Doe X, I must withdraw my assertion. I should have looked for that supporting evidence before I posted this but, as I said, I have always thought that they were one and same because of the overlapping names, dates, posts, themes for so long.

Mea culpa.
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Yeah, now that I've read that post that I linked above, I dont think they are the same. John Doe II is 100 times more coherent than Mr. D'oh and actually seems to have more than one or two brain cells functioning upstairs.
 
apathoid said:
Yeah, now that I've read that post that I linked above, I dont think they are the same. John Doe II is 100 times more coherent than Mr. D'oh and actually seems to have more than one or two brain cells functioning upstairs.
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I'm not sure that either of them has more brain cells than the other but given that I probably just made a major faux pas myself, who am I to talk?

:o
 
apathoid said:
This guy is almost certainly a faker. He's trying to sound experienced by listing a bunch of different airlines - but when pilots(and mechanics as well) land at a major, they stay there. Alot of mechanics at my airline have worked for a number of airlines, but that is usually a result of mergers, etc(ie Eastern -> Pan Am -> Delta). I only know of one mechanic that left a major for another major. The guy above lists 3 different parent companies: Continetal, AA(who purchased TWA), and ATA.

There is simply no way any pilot with decent seniority at AA would leave for Continental. If he got layed off at AA, well he'd be out of work because Contiental was not only not hiring pilots after 911, they layed a bunch off and not recalled them...

Here is my conspiracy theory. F/O is a figment of Mr. D'ohs imagination..or he is in fact Glenn Stanish - see below.



Glen(n) Stanish(G* Stanish and other mispellings attempted) is not listed in the FAA airmans database - so as far as the FAA is concerned, there is no such airman....he is a fake. He is also a part-time scholar for Truth. 'Nuff said.
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Well Glen Stanish is real and has published a book http://www.tatepublishing.com/bookstore/book.php?w=1-5988625-1-0
I think that's more than JDX is capable of, even though there's some suggestion that its a self funded publication.

Perhaps he's an overseas pilot like Billzilla and therefore not listed? That doesn't seem to fit with the topic of his book though.

Anyway, thanks for the info.
 
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss John DOH! as not being a pilot. Arrogant, self-opinionated.... yes.

To my mind, he has displayed a certain knowledge. I could be wrong, but I think he could be very close - if not actually - to be what he claims. There are some things which seem to indicate his knowledge is not as good as what he thinks it is, but...... though he's a jerk, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt unless I see far more substantial evidence against it.
 
Shrinker said:
Well Glen Stanish is real and has published a book http://www.tatepublishing.com/bookstore/book.php?w=1-5988625-1-0
I think that's more than JDX is capable of, even though there's some suggestion that its a self funded publication.

Perhaps he's an overseas pilot like Billzilla and therefore not listed? That doesn't seem to fit with the topic of his book though.

Anyway, thanks for the info.
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He could be an overseas pilots, but in the link you provided it says:

Glenn Stanish ATP

As I was reading this article, it made me wonder how this could be. You see, as airline pilots and flight crewmembers, we are required by the Federal Aviation Administration, the FAA, as part of our training with the airlines, to cover what is termed CRM, or Cockpit/Crew Resource Management. This is required as part of the Initial Training as new hires as well as the required annual Recurrent Training for airline pilots.

ATP means Airline Transport Pilot Rating and is awarded by the FAA and recognized by the CAA and JAA if I'm not mistaken. There are no FAA certificate records for Stanish, so if he is a pilot he is not an ATP and not American...

I think Nila Sadagagadevan is a fraud as well as he's been living in the US for 30 years and is also noticably absent in the FAA database.

For the record, I dont believe Mr D'oh to be anything more than a student pilot. Any aviation geek can speak the industry jargon, but he uses it too much to be anything other than an overcompensating poseur..
 
John responds

Just want to address a few issues...

-Pilots For Truth is in its infancy and has only been released to the public (via this board) in the past few days. It has been up for viewing for about two weeks yet only reviewed via email links prior to public release the other day. It only covers the facts as our mission statement provides on the home page.
http://pilotsfor911truth.bravehost.com/index.html

- We currently have over 10 pilots and growing at Pilots For Truth. Current combined experience is over 40,000 Hours flight time with ATP, Commercial, Primary and Advanced Flight Instructors etc. The list is being compiled and will be forthcoming. We are currently moving our host to a less commercial server as Bravenet has too many pop-ups. (I designed and created that website without any prior knowledge of website design. Other webmasters have come forward and will be helping for a more thorough and professional design/access).

-Airlines include Continental, American, TWA, Independence Air, ATA, Several corporate, charter and fractional carriers. (off the top of my head). Continental has been hiring for the past year apathoid. Check your data. Glen Stanish was hired at TWA, merged with AMR, furloughed from AMR (along with all the TWA pilots) and hired at CAL recently... he is a 737 FO who has contact with a 757 and 777 pilot that will probably join the ranks soon. ALPA and APA (The major Airline Unions) have been contacted and are reviewing the data.

- We have experts from Boeing and licensed AMT techs.

- We are currently in contact with a few Flight Attendants that will be a part of Pilots for Truth and are contacting other FA's. (Pilots for Truth are for all aviation professionals.)

-Scholars for Truth and Veterans For Truth are part of the same team. Aviation professionals from each organization are considered part of each other. Which include aero engineers, simulator experts.. FAA Inspectors.. etc. Contacts are ongoing to organize. Again, Pilots For Truth is in its infancy.

- Pilot experience includes type ratings in MD-88, CRJ, 737, 757, 767, 747, J-41, off the top of my head.

-John Doe II is NOT JohndoeX. We just met each other last week. Please visit our United 93 forum here to see some of JDII's work. I havent researched much of UAL93 yet.

- I have not packed up my research and moved elsewhere. I am using both sites for my research. We have worked out our differences here.

- The Flight Data Recorder Research Team consists of Professionals/Experts in Computers for decoding files.. pilots of course to interpret the data, experts from Boeing to help interpret the data, and research experts such as Merc and Russel Pickering.

- The NTSB has refused to comment regarding the conflict in the Official story vs. the Flight Data Recorder re: The light poles.


-Kingair001 and I flew for the same airline. We both together have combined experience of over 15,000 hours total flight time.

-More pilots from my former airline have been contacted and may join the site after further review.

-Not one of the JREFers have even tried to debunk any of my knowledge or knowledge coming from the FDR Research team. They focus their daily lives on trying to figure out if im fake or not. laughing1.gif

Any questions... please post here and we'll do our best to answer.

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And to add... we are also in contact with some FAA ATC professionals. However, most want to remain anonymous. So, we'll see how that goes as Pilots For Truth grows.
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The NTSB has refused to comment regarding the conflict in the Official story vs. the Flight Data Recorder re: The light poles.
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And the discrepancy is...?
 
WildCat said:
And the discrepancy is...?
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Probably that the uncalibrated altitude meter placed the plane a couple of hundred feet above the light poles IIRC. So your right no discrepancy.

/Hans
 
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Gee Jonny, can I join? I am an AMT and I do seek the Truth in regard to 9/11. I have already written my first contribuation to 911Myths, I am willing to write more for your site...however, I dont think you'l like my version of the troof. :(
 
Mr. D'oh said:
-Not one of the JREFers have even tried to debunk any of my knowledge or knowledge coming from the FDR Research team. They focus their daily lives on trying to figure out if im fake or not. laughing1.gif
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Would if I could but you banned after I made two posts on your FDR thread...was I spinning again :confused:
 
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