Loose Change - Part IV

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Darth Rotor said:
I note you are in Belgium. What is your dog in this fight?

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I heard he has a stake in the proposed Europe/Asia frites pipeline that the US has been trying to interfere with. :)

Brumsen, I do recall criticism of your paper that was pointing out flaws in the CD argument. The claim was that you had supposedly written that paper in order to strengthen the CD theory, but your critic (Reynolds?) was doubting that. Was your intent in writing that to strengthen the CD theory, and what do you think about the CD claim now?
 
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Darth Rotor said:
Someone needs to FOIA the radar tapes from the LaGuardia and Newark Towers, likewise White Plains and Tito burrough.
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You could be that special someone!

Mike of 911myths has done some of this, but no results yet. By the way, there is a Tito Borough, just south of Neverland Ranch.
 
Huntsman said:
LOL

Actually, that's more plausible than most CT theories. At least we know that Urea can be a componenet of certain types of improvised munitions.
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It was the universal smell that gave it away.
 
Here is a crazy question...

How can two people spend $247.50 on one occasion, at Suisse Chalet Restaurant? That is alot of food.

That is how much Al-Suqami and Waleed Al-Shehri spent there on Sept 6th 2001

Only thing I can see, is maybe they bought people drinks, or bought a large bottle of wine, in keeping with the Takfir...otherwise I am baffled.

Based on Moussaoui Trial evidence OG00020-07.
 
kevin said:
Not sure why he assumes the aluminum is from the plane. The whole facade of the WTC was covered in aluminum.
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Because there's far too much of it flowing from out of the window.
NIST also came up with that conclusion.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2002/03/30/129774
In the northeast corner of the south tower's 80th floor, where office furniture had been shoved by the plane, the fire burned so hot that a stream of molten metal began to pour over the side like a flaming waterfall.The apparent source of this waterfall: molten aluminum from the jet's wings and fuselage, which had also piled up in that corner.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7762750380274876390
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet+9/11 (This second one isn't shown much)

Here's a little from the NIST report
NIST pg 43 Section H.9 App H Vol 4
Starting at around 9:52 a.m. a molten material began to pour from the top of the window 80-256 on the North face of WTC 2. The material appears intermittently until the tower collapses at 9:58:59. The observation of piles of debris in this area combined with the melting point behaviors of the primary alloys used in a Boeing 767 suggest that the material is molten aluminum derived from aircraft debris located on floor 81.

There's some good info here in the first half. Although I think it should be changed a little bit.
http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
 
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T.A.M. said:
Here is a crazy question...

How can two people spend $247.50 on one occasion, at Suisse Chalet Restaurant? That is alot of food.

That is how much Al-Suqami and Waleed Al-Shehri spent there on Sept 6th 2001

Only thing I can see, is maybe they bought people drinks, or bought a large bottle of wine, in keeping with the Takfir...otherwise I am baffled.

Based on Moussaoui Trial evidence OG00020-07.
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pfft, no problem. I'm hardly on an unlimited budget, but for Valentine's Day this year, dinner for the wife and I ran ~$150.00 If I had more money, $250 would be no problem to pull off.
 
Same two terrorists spend $300.00 at suisse chalet on Sept. 8th 2001. man them Islamic Extremists love their suisse chalet...lol
 
a little off track but...

Dinner for two at suisse Chalet....example:

1. Quarter Chicken/Rib Dinner = $19.99 x2 = about $40.00
2. 2 Large Soft Drinks x 2 = 1.99 x 4 = about $8.00
3. Lets say an appetizer Salad or wings each = $6.99 x 2 = about $14.00
4. Desert = Piece of Cake x 2 = 4.99 x 2 = about $10

That would be an average outing to Suisse Chalet, correct.

Total Cost = $72 + tip = $82

Now of course, for Valentines Day, $150 seems acceptable, but that would be a very splurging one (on a limited budget), but to add in another $100 worth...damn...

unless suisse chalet is much more expensive in USA than in Canada.
 
Also Interesting, they spent $157.72 at Sears on August 30th, then again, the exact same amount, $157.72 at Sears on September 4th. Obviously the same item was bought...what was it I wonder?
 
Kent1 said:
For those interested 911myths has higher site traffic than st911.org again.
In fact Mike's site traffic for the most part continues to go up.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/t...pare_sites=st911.org&y=r&url=911myths.com#top
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We're at 50,000 visitors already for August, with over 150,000 pages viewed. My guess is that we'll double July's traffic by the end of the month. We get amazing numbers of hits from Google and from forums around the world. I love clicking over to one of those and finding the first post in that topic is somebody recommending Loose Change and the second post counters with Screw Loose Change (usually including links to Gravy's guide and Markyx's version as well). That's very satisfying!:D
 
Darth Rotor said:
It occurs to me that the radar tapes from LaGuardia, White Plains, Newark, Tito Burrough, and a whole host of other local airports would show primary returns/blips of the first aircraft that hit WTC 1.
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I believe AA11 went below radar coverage and they lost it at about JFK airport - that was Boston Centre, not New York. NY Centre didn't even know a plane hat hit WTC1 until NEADS contacted them.


Darth Rotor said:
The other issue is the subpoena of American Airlines information, and how they blocked efforts to track a particular flight that they apparently had a clue was missing or late.
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I agree on this. United confirmed that 175 had hit WTC2 within a matter of minutes, but American took 90 minutes to confirm - they went into information "lock down". That caused a lot of problems for the FAA and NEADS.

-Andrew
 
Class said:
Loose Change is ruining another marriage. A poster is considering divorcing his wife if she does not watch Loose Change: http://www.unipeak.com/gethtml.php?...nZV9Gb3J1bS9pbmRleC5waHA/c2hvd3RvcGljPTExMzI0

(Sorry for Unipeak url, I was banned a couple weeks ago and use it to view LC)
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<drlauramode>Your wife is not someone who's there to share your personal interests. She's the person who's there to share the rest of your life. Does she have a TV show that she watches that you don't? What would you think if she told you, watch that show with me or I'll divorce you? You'd think she was a nut, right?</drlauramode>

Seriously, what all these anecdotes of how hard it is to talk to family and friends about 9-11 Denial tell me is that either the polls are wrong or a lot of people believe it and don't want to talk about it.
 
Brainster said:
We're at 50,000 visitors already for August, with over 150,000 pages viewed. My guess is that we'll double July's traffic by the end of the month. We get amazing numbers of hits from Google and from forums around the world. I love clicking over to one of those and finding the first post in that topic is somebody recommending Loose Change and the second post counters with Screw Loose Change (usually including links to Gravy's guide and Markyx's version as well). That's very satisfying!:D
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i know the feeling, my forums are up to #4 on a google search for loose change forums (below the first LC thread here, the SLC blog and an LC thread on bit-tech)
 
T.A.M. said:
Here is a crazy question...

How can two people spend $247.50 on one occasion, at Suisse Chalet Restaurant? That is alot of food.

That is how much Al-Suqami and Waleed Al-Shehri spent there on Sept 6th 2001

Only thing I can see, is maybe they bought people drinks, or bought a large bottle of wine, in keeping with the Takfir...otherwise I am baffled.

Based on Moussaoui Trial evidence OG00020-07.
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The Suisse Chalet in Newton, MA appears to be a hotel, not a Swiss Chalet restaurant.
 
LashL said:
The Suisse Chalet in Newton, MA appears to be a hotel, not a Swiss Chalet restaurant.
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If it has a high class restaurant, I'd imagine you could blow easily $200+ just on a bottle of wine.

We have restaurant's here in NZ that sell bottles of wine for $300 or more. And NZ has comparatively lower living costs than most of the USA.

-Andrew
 
ahhh...so it is not the "Quarter Chicken and Ribs" Swiss Chalet That we all love and enjoy...that explains it...thanks a bunch.
 
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