Loose Change - Part IV

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People saw a helicopter, a small commuter plane, a C-130, a 757, a missile, a white jet, a corporate jet, etc etc.... I am coming to the conclusion that many things happened at once to completely confuse everyone, to create a huge diversionary tactic
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What's next? Ten plane theory? :confused:
 
I am posting this here, without the pics, incase they decide later to erase their own evidence, which states they interviewed multiple people who said they saw a large jet plane fly toward the Pentagon.

Posted by MERC, at the LC Forum, August 25th 2006:


Hey guys,

I'm back and have some interesting news for you all.

THERE WAS A LARGE PLANE SEEN DIVING TOWARDS THE PENTAGON!

We have interviewed several eyewitnesses who saw it.

We interviewed:

-Madelyn Zackem, VDOT (not on camera)

-Edward and Shenki, two japanese brothers from an auto shop on Columbia Pike (on camera)

-A couple of women from an arlington neighborhood. (one on camera, the other on the phone)

-Citgo manager


Madelyn was an interesting interview. She showed us where she was sitting when she saw the plane. The building that the plane skimmed over is not the STC building per se, but was actually a building next to it, a small two story brick unit (Circled in red, hidden behind trees, in between small white house and STC office). Her account placed the plane "inches" from the roof of this small building. With the left tilted down. Unfortunately, this would place it BELOW treeop level which we all know is impossible. She said it was "grey", then said "silver". She said she could see the cockpit.

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Edward and Shenki were very informative also. Edward actually went outside when they heard the jet approacing and actually saw the plane. They placed it close to that 100 ft tower in the pictures. They were confused and thought since they saw the men working on the tower the next day that they believed the plane hit the tower. But it does appear that this plane did miss this tower. Edward said it barely cleared the last wing of the Navy Annex. He described it as a "big grey plane with black wings".

The two women in the neighborhood saw the plane also. The first one actually saw it and said it was a white plane with no markings, said it was descending very fast. She saw it with her cousin and her father. Her neighbor's nanny saw it also. Russell spoke with her on the phone, she couldn't add anything helpful other than there was a plane, couldn't describe what it looked like, because it was moving too fast. She said it felt like it was right over the house or was going to fall on the house.


The Citgo manager said her employee places the plane on the OTHER SIDE of the Citgo, the left side or west side (Green line), she is "90% sure", there is a follow-up due on this...

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So spread the word. There was a plane at least as far back as the Sheraton, Navy Annex, and Citgo gas (WRONG SIDE!!)

Flyover anyone?

There is more to come! Stay tuned.
 
so 5 years later a gas station manager says an employee from 5 years ago saw it come from a diffrent angle?

well get the firing squad ready, we got some traitors in the government to execute!
 
you just cant win with these people

"There was no large jetliner at the Pentagon, and we are going to interview witnesses to prove it"

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"Witnesses all saw a large jetliner, it must have been there as a distraction"
 
Dude that rock's! I am IP banned and can see it through that link! Is there a draw back, I should be aware of ?
 
Dog Town said:
Dude that rock's! I am IP banned and can see it through that link! Is there a draw back, I should be aware of ?
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Isn't viewing that forum a drawback in itself? ;)

Refrain from viewing to keep your heart healthy.
 
Damn the end is soo near. I wish I knew sooner. No drawbacks though? Class said sorry when posting the link.
 
Dog Town said:
Damn the end is soo near. I wish I knew sooner. No drawbacks though? Class said sorry when posting the link.
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i think it puts that adbar at the top, but thats it

although if for some reason LC admins ban the unipeak IP it wont work anymore
 
Huntsman said:
I think they used M-80s and Lady Fingers, too.
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When I was in the USAF in 1963 I was living in a barracks and we had to piss in 55 gallon drums for a week. I always wondered why and now I know the extractd chemicals from the urine to made the bombs. That way they were untraceable.
 
DHR said:
When I was in the USAF in 1963 I was living in a barracks and we had to piss in 55 gallon drums for a week. I always wondered why and now I know the extractd chemicals from the urine to made the bombs. That way they were untraceable.
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LOL

Actually, that's more plausible than most CT theories. At least we know that Urea can be a componenet of certain types of improvised munitions.
 
Kent1 said:
I will be happy to answer any questions regarding the interpretation of the posted photos.

Sorry to hear that there was such confusion due to the misplaced photos. My material is spread around in 45+ countries and there are probably other postings that may be subject to clarification.

When in doubt, ask me.

Stephen D. Chastain




Now on molten metal coming from the towers:

Several times over the last year I have been asked to comment on a photo of one of the Trade Center Towers. The photo shows a molten flow from one of the windows. The flow falls down along the building. It appears orange and turns to a gray color as it cools.

The questions usually want me to address "Is this photo a fake?" and "Is the flow steel or aluminum?" "Is this situation possible?"

First, I will address the temperature range, then the color of the flow.

I am working in imperial units and temperature in degrees F

Metals lose about 50% of their strength at 60% of their melting temperature. This is common knowledge and may be found in any undergraduate text regarding "Fracture and Deformation of Materials."

If the approximate melting temperture of steel is 2750 F the the material would be plastic at 1650 F. Even assuming a safety factor of 3, you would expect the bolts or other structural members to deform and fail near this temperature, especially with the additional weight if a jet air liner. I would assume that the live load calulations did not include the typical office equipment and an airliner plus a factor of 3. THEREFORE I assume that the flow is not steel and that the temperature of the steel members at the time of the photo is less than 1650 F.

Assuming that the flow would be molten aluminum from the airliner and the color of molten aluminum is silver then why is the flow orange?

The color of pure molten aluminum is silver, It has an emissivity of .12. Steel has an emissivity of .4 and appears orange in the temperature range of molten aluminum.

The emissitivty of aluminum oxide is .44 and also appears orange in the melting temperature range of molten aluminum.

The emissivity of plate glass is .937 It begins to soften at 1000 F and flows around 1350 F. Silica has an emissivity of .8

Copper oxide also has an emissivity of .8. however I will assume that their effect is negligible.

Aluminum oxidizes readily in the foundry under ideal melting conditions. Large surface area relaltive to thickness, turbulence, the presence of water or oil greatly increases the oxidation of aluminum. A jet airliner is made of thin aluminum sheet and most probably suffered conderable oxidation especially in contact with an open flame and being in contact with jet fuel. If you dont believe this, try melting a few soda cans over coals or open flame. If you are lucky you will end up with only 50% aluminum oxide. However, the cans may completely burn up.

The specific gravity of aluminum is 2.7. The specific gravity of aluminum oxide (Al2O3-3H2O) is 2.42 the specific gravity of Si = 2.40 and Glass is 2.65 these are all very similay and likey to be entrained in a molten aluminum flow. Don't believe it? lightly stir the dross into molten aluminum. The surface tensionis so high is is almost impossible to separate them.

THEREFORE assuming that the flow consist of molten aluminum and considerable oxides, and assuming that the windows in the trade center were plate glass and also in a plastic state and that they were also likely entrained in the molten aluminum. I would expect the flow to appear to be orange in color. Especially since both the entrained materials have emissivities equal to or more than twice that of iron.

Also since dross cools to a gray color and glass with impurities also turns dark. I would expect that the flow would darken upon cooling.

I would also suggest that not only is the photo possible, but entirely likey.

Summary: The flow is not steel because the structural steel would fail well below the metling temperature. The flow is likely to be a mixture of aluminum, aluminum oxides, molten glass and coals of whatever trash the aluminum flowed over as it reached the open window. Such a flow would appear orange and cool to a dark color.

Stephen D. Chastain
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If the flowing metal was steel, the top of the building must be setting on air.
 
ssuming that the flow would be molten aluminum from the airliner and the color of molten aluminum is silver then why is the flow orange?
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Not sure why he assumes the aluminum is from the plane. The whole facade of the WTC was covered in aluminum.
 
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