You do realize that you use faith MANY times throughout a typical day?
Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)
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You do realize that you use faith MANY times throughout a typical day?
Faith that your boss won't fire you, faith that the water you drink won't be contaminated, faith that your local deli doesn't server spiders in their sandwiches...etc, etc.
"Moral high-ground", sorry but that is a copout, It is like saying “I didn’t do it, and so I would help out”.
Paul
LOL.
Fair enough. I guess you could call it the politically correct way of never getting into an argument in a religious thread.
I'd like to have on my crappy car "In case of Rapture... I will be stealing a rich Christian's car"
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Faith that your boss won't fire you, faith that the water you drink won't be contaminated, faith that your local deli doesn't server spiders in their sandwiches...etc, etc.
That's not faith, any more than I have faith the sun will come up at 6:03AM tomorrow morning. I've had no complaints so far about my boss, my drinking water or my local deli. I don't have 10,000% rock-hard conviction that things won't get bad someday (that would be faith), but I trust them to continue as they have up until now.
Trust. Not faith. There is a difference: faith is blind, while trust is earned.
Azure
I have various degrees of trust based on past experience with those items mentioned.
Still no need for faith.
Bumper sticker idea
“Faith – never had it, never will”
Ossai
Nope, still no faith.
I have various degrees of trust based on past experience with those items mentioned.
Still no need for faith.
Bumper sticker idea
“Faith – never had it, never will”
Complete and utter BullShip. You post illustrates your hypocrisy.
Ossai
Faith is not the same as expectation. A "believer" once argued that when I turn on a light switch I have faith that the light will come on. This is not faith, it's expectation based on previous experience of the event and some knowledge of the workings of the event. Part of my expectation is also that the light will not always come on due to the bulb being blown, power cut, etc.
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Faith is OK; until it is build on lies, not made by the faithful, but by the ones or one that the faithful trust. The real tragedy of religion is, the ones who started it all are dead and can’t be put on trial for their lies but instead have be levitated to godhood by the faithful. 
Paul
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You know, there's trust, and there's faith. Faith, for the most part, is fine. I believe that if I put the appropriate sequence of events together, I can and will be able to expect the appropriate result, without the experience of having done so before. That's at the root of education, research, invention, and good scholarship.
Trust means I've done it a time or two, and have some reasonable expectation of what will happen when I perform task X in concert with operation Y. That's what makes it possible for me to do my job: I've turned the key to the ignition in trucks so many times before, I don't have to ask what will happen next.
Faith is a fine thing, but it's usually based on some experience in the believer's life. If you pray and you get a positive answer to the prayer the first time, then you have some basis for believing that prayer works. On the other hand, if you pray, and you continually get negative results, you're going to question whether hitting your knees every time there's a problem in your life is such a hot idea.
True, we do use faith daily. But I'd rather operate on Trust. This means learning from those who have gone before, and applying what they learned before you make a misstep. I believe the burner on the stove is hot. Evidence from others who have gone before tells me I'd be an idiot to stick my hand in the flame. Trust has the greater value, if you ask me.
Not that you did...
Trust means I've done it a time or two, and have some reasonable expectation of what will happen when I perform task X in concert with operation Y. That's what makes it possible for me to do my job: I've turned the key to the ignition in trucks so many times before, I don't have to ask what will happen next.
Faith is a fine thing, but it's usually based on some experience in the believer's life. If you pray and you get a positive answer to the prayer the first time, then you have some basis for believing that prayer works. On the other hand, if you pray, and you continually get negative results, you're going to question whether hitting your knees every time there's a problem in your life is such a hot idea.
True, we do use faith daily. But I'd rather operate on Trust. This means learning from those who have gone before, and applying what they learned before you make a misstep. I believe the burner on the stove is hot. Evidence from others who have gone before tells me I'd be an idiot to stick my hand in the flame. Trust has the greater value, if you ask me.
Not that you did...
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Azure
Your posts – this would of course refer to your (Azure’s) posts
illustrates – clearly points out
your hypocrisy. - this would of course refer to your (Azure’s) hypocrisy
Hypocrisy:
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.
I was using definition #2, an act or instance of such falseness.
Is this enough clarification for you?
Ossai
Well, I used BullShip in order to avoid violating rule8. It is close enough and used in such a manner that the meaning should be clear.
Your posts – this would of course refer to your (Azure’s) posts
illustrates – clearly points out
your hypocrisy. - this would of course refer to your (Azure’s) hypocrisy
Hypocrisy:
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.
I was using definition #2, an act or instance of such falseness.
Is this enough clarification for you?
Ossai
I already know all that.
Care to point out where my hypocricy lies?
We are here to learn from each other, right?
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I predict that, very shortly, this thread will bear an uncanny resemblance to a tooth-pulling exercise.
Having said that, I now retract my prediction and call for a kind-hearted individual to end the confusion...
'Luthon64
Having said that, I now retract my prediction and call for a kind-hearted individual to end the confusion...
'Luthon64
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Well, I didn't imagine this thread would go on for so long, but I DO have another idea for a sticker:
"In case of Rapture: follow this car to the party"
"In case of Rapture: follow this car to the party"