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Loose Change - Part IV

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Gravy said:
I wasn't aware of these theories until I joined this forum in March. None of my friends have ever heard of them (most are a bit older than the LC crowd), and of the thousands of people I have given tours to at Ground Zero, no one has ever asked me a conspiracy-related question.
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I live in a small college town in California. It's lousy with 9/11 CTers.
I guess it all depends on where you live, and who you know.

I find that they like to hang out in coffee shops...
 
Hey Gravy, you know where I can nab official information on the war games, such as how many of them were being run and so forth?
 
Axiom_Blade said:
I live in a small college town in California. It's lousy with 9/11 CTers.
I guess it all depends on where you live, and who you know.

I find that they like to hang out in coffee shops...
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I live in Venice, doesn't get much more eclectic, my friends equally so.
I don't do coffee, will look into that , however!

DT
 
I was born in 1952 and ya know, they've been making chemtrails over Dayton ever since I was born. Now I understand why I don't see the Troof.

Yep, it's chemtrails. They've been after me the whole time.

And obviously, the chem has got to me.

FREE SKINNY!!!!!!
 
MarkyX said:
Hey Gravy, you know where I can nab official information on the war games, such as how many of them were being run and so forth?
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That is a real good question there. Not sure the information is something that they will tell you but I bet you could at least ask.

Northeast Air Defense Sector Public Affairs
1 (315)334-6536 DSN: 587-6536
pa@neads.ang.af.mil

EDIT: It might help better if I gave you the right region. Sorry.
 
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sleahead said:
And what is this thing they all seem to have about one person assuming multiple identities?.
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I've noticed that elsewhere (i.e. indymedia). I think it stems from three factors:

1) A pre-existing tendency to believe in the existence of conspiracies.

2) An inability to accept that their view might not be as popular as they believe.

3) A sense of self-importance.

It all adds up to a belief that their work is so important, that there just has to be a psy-ops campaign against them. It would be heartbreaking for them to realise that they are just seen as cranks by the small minority of people who are actually aware of them.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
I live in a small college town in California. It's lousy with 9/11 CTers.
I guess it all depends on where you live, and who you know.

I find that they like to hang out in coffee shops...
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I work at a large college and live in a small College town, in CA and there does not seem to be much CT awareness around. Although the Town I work in has more woo per square foot than anywhere else on the globe.
 
sleahead said:
A neat post from the above mentioned spat over on LC:



"makes us all look like kooks". So funny. And what is this thing they all seem to have about one person assuming multiple identities?.
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I guess it's Ok then to have 4 sock puppets running over there.
 
Gravy said:
I wasn't aware of these theories until I joined this forum in March. None of my friends have ever heard of them (most are a bit older than the LC crowd), and of the thousands of people I have given tours to at Ground Zero, no one has ever asked me a conspiracy-related question.
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I had heard of LIHOP and MIHOP and knew what they were as long ago as 2003, but I had no idea of the details. I certainly remember the controversy over Cynthia McKinney's remarks, and that was in 2002. I had heard of the Meyssan (sp?) book, and like many I thought it was just another example of America-bashing from France, but so ridiculous that I could not imagine anybody with better than a room temperature IQ believing it.

My suspicion is that the usual response to speculation about government involvement in 9-11 has been what that kid "Live Free or Die Tryin'" over at the LC forum experienced. When he talked about it with his dad, the old man went a little psycho on the kid, waving a boxcutter under his throat.

That stage of raw anger is probably coming to an end; the next stage is potentially dangerous. But I suspect it will become like the Kennedy Assassination: something that a lot of people agree is fishy but aren't particularly interested in poking into it further.

For a lot of these Deniers it's all about Bush, and once he's gone it won't have the same urgency. There was a lot of the same sort of speculation in the early 1970s that Nixon was somehow involved in the Kennedy assassination and that this was how we'd finally get rid of him. But interest in that particular theory dried up pretty quickly after Watergate.
 
I totally agree. I do feel if the republicans maintain the whitehouse (unlikely) that there will still be CT momentum, but if a democrat gets in, along with troop pullout in Iraq, the Troof movement will fade into oblivion, and I'll get some of my time back...lol
 
Darth Rotor said:
I understand, and given the amount of misinformation out there, I don't really blame you for the added level of specialization you'd rather hear it from. Your dissing of ME's, however, smells of "the insecurity of the uninformed." In your defense, you'd rather have "the best answer" rather than "a good answer."

DR
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I personally won't accept the word of a mechanical engineer on structural issues, nor do I think mechanical engineers are qualified to make engineering statements about structural causes of the collapse. I do think they are more qualified to handle effects of fire on steel (but how that weaking affects force distribution and building structural integrity should then be shifted to a structural engineer), the fuel distributions (fluid dynamics not high on structural engineers studies) and information about the airplanes.

I do think they have a body of knowledge that allows them to analyze the structural issues and present more useful information than other observers, but their knowledge is not as extensive, nor their experience as appropriate to the requirements of this type of analysis as a structural engineer.

There is a good reason Mechanical Engineers aren't allowed to seal a building's structural drawings. Just as a structural engineer isn't allowed to seal the HVAC drawings for a building, or design engines.
 
Brainster said:
That stage of raw anger is probably coming to an end; the next stage is potentially dangerous
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I can see the futher than.. sect of the"movement" going postal! Ala, "Weather Underground", or their modern day brothers, "The Eco- Terrorists" ! That does give me chills! They had best not come knocking on my door!

DT
 
Would those of us anti-CTs who don't post here that much but lurk a lot, such as myself, be of any use at GZ on the special Saturday morning jaunts? I've thought about taking one of those el cheapo Chinatown buses up from DC to see what's going on there, but probably I would want to plan with Gravy and Abby ahead of time.
 
Dog Town said:
I can see the futher than.. sect of the"movement" going postal! Ala, "Weather Underground", or their modern day brothers, "The Eco- Terrorists" ! That does give me chills! They had best not come knocking on my door!

DT
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I would not be surprised to see them start to buddy up with the Islamic extremists, seems like a perfect match.
 
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