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Loose Change - Part IV

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If such is the case then it should be easy for the truthers to find a structural engineer to back up thier claims. Five years later, however, we're all still waiting.

There isn't a huge amount of difference between transplant surgeons and neurosurgeons either. No sane hospital director will allow a guy who swaps livers near a patients head with a bonesaw and that is when one life is at stake.

Here we have thousands of lives hanging in the balance. Someday, another hi-rise tower will catch fire. It's inevitable. It might not happen from terrorism, it could just be a knocked over paint thinner can that catches fire. No false flags, no religious fascists, no agenda of any kind. Just a straight up run-of-the-mill, could-happen-anywhere-to-anyone accident.

I'm sure that if Steven Jones and Judy "Scholars for Tooth" Wood are on the scene that they'll tell the fire chief "I hate George Bush, therefore the building is safe to send firefighters into."

I don't go to gynecologists to get my eyes checked. I wouldn't go to a proctologist to have my extra uvula removed. For my money, when I suspect that a building may collapse, I wanna hear it from a STRUCTURAL engineer.
I understand, and given the amount of misinformation out there, I don't really blame you for the added level of specialization you'd rather hear it from. Your dissing of ME's, however, smells of "the insecurity of the uninformed." In your defense, you'd rather have "the best answer" rather than "a good answer."

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A request to people who post links to the LC forum. Could you also quote a snippet of the post in question so folks like me who are IP banned can get the gist of it? Switching IPs is a pain in the butt for me, and often doesn't work anyway. As a result I simply don't try, and I fear I'm missing some comedy gold. Thanks.
 
I understand, and given the amount of misinformation out there, I don't really blame you for the added level of specialization you'd rather hear it from. Your dissing of ME's, however, smells of "the insecurity of the uninformed." In your defense, you'd rather have "the best answer" rather than "a good answer."

DR
The prejudice against ME's seems to come from the fact that a couple of prominent ones have not acquitted themselves well in 9/11 discussions. We have to remember that these people don't represent all ME's.
 
The prejudice against ME's seems to come from the fact that a couple of prominent ones have not acquitted themselves well in 9/11 discussions. We have to remember that these people don't represent all ME's.

OK, I'll buy that whole guilt by association bit, I do seem to recall one CT sort claiming to be an ME student, but I guess there are professional ME's who are playing along? For Shame.

DR
 
OK, I'll buy that whole guilt by association bit, I do seem to recall one CT sort claiming to be an ME student, but I guess there are professional ME's who are playing along? For Shame.

DR
Yes. Two that come to mind are Judy Wood, whose six-year coma may have severely affected her engineering knowledge, and Gordon Ross, whose math looks impressive to someone like me who counts with his fingers and toes, but apparently does not impress more knowledgeable folk.

From Judy Wood's presentation about how the towers should have toppled like trees.
ETA: This is NOT a parody. It is real-world.

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Doing the do -over again

Doooh!


http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/

Gee! I wonder if Google is checking to see if he is helping himself to material he doesn't own?

Want stock footage ? Help yourself, after all as the Executive Producers says, they are :

"burning 10,000 DVDs to go to Ground zero with TO EDUCATE."

Psst - Korey, its a big hole still, 10,000 copies won't fill much of it. . .
 
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A neat post from the above mentioned spat over on LC:

Sun Zoo aka Rob aka Robert aka OmegaPoint aka HeadHunter,

You recently voiced the concern that discussing the use of VIDEO FAKERY on 9/11 "makes us all look like kooks". I asked if this applied to you and ALL of your various personae, but got no answer. Let me, then, reassure you - you look like five kooks, AT THE LEAST!

IOK

"makes us all look like kooks". So funny. And what is this thing they all seem to have about one person assuming multiple identities?.
 
From Judy Wood's presentation about how the towers should have toppled like trees.
To be honest with you, my gut instinct would, with where the structure was originally weakened by the imnpact, have been to predict a failure off center with the resultant tipping, like topping a tree.

The problem is, unlike a tree, which is a fairly homogenous material, the WTC was, internally, mostly air, or a honey combe construction. Unlike a tree, whose strength is not it its bark, its outer lattice gives the building the majority of its strength. This means that its failure mode would not be predicted as being like a tree, but rather where it is at its weakest, which would be (I think) somewhere other than the outer lattice; somewhere inside the structure.

Since none of us were able to take straing guage readings inside the floors that were damaged by the impact, and the subsequent fire, it is hard to determine where the initial catastrophic failure occurred. As analogy the tree is a good picture, but as a structue, I don't think it emulates the box of girders very well. Trees are stronger form the inside out, and are also irregular and grainy, fiberous building materials as compared to steel.

Another point is my lack of understanding of how good a thermal insulator concrete is. If rebar was woven in and among the concrete, but the concrete didn't insulate the rebar that well, the thinner rebar would, weaken due to thermal loads (due to significantly smaller cross section) before the thicker I Beams and T Beams in the girders -- analogy could be 'what burns first and fastest, a thin stick or a thick log' -- causing the floors to sag and droop for three or four floors before those girders began to lose strength from thermal fatigue. That would account for a pull in a lateral direction against the outer girders, which is a lateral load not a compression load, and which stresses the girders like a cantilever (diving board) in their weakest load bearing axis.

That amount of shift in the floor's load bearing capacity, and strength in the form of rigid members supporting the outer lattice would account for an inward sag, sag now changes the weight of the upper flors into a cantilver load, not a compression load, and the vertical members fail like straws being stood on by a grown man. The first failure's impact load begins the subsequent cascading failure due to dynamic, not static, loading.

Still can't get the NIST report, DNS server failure.

It is a CT plot, a DOS attack by LC! Damned conspirators! :)

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You got to be kidding me!
Pardalis to ATC (Airhead Traffic Control): "Is this real-world or exercise?"

ATC: "This is not a drill. We need somebody up there to, ah, do something about her."

Pardalis: "I'll scramble some eggs. You're on your own."
 
Ok.... it's been about a month now, since I smacked a pal of mine, out of the Dark Side! Since that time, I have asked every person, I have come in contact with, couple of thousand atleast, friends and strangers. I have yet to find one person! Not one, that buys it and, few have even heard of it. It is non existant for the most part.. Estimate heard of, less than 10%, amount buy it O%! Have any of you others found many? I know you heroes that go to GZ find them. I know if I find the nest I will find some eggs. But, are there any outside of their insular echo chambers? I am dying to find one face to face, this typing ain't my forte! Just curious!

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I noticed a funny thing. Lately, I have had a few "Truthers" tell me that "heresay" (which is what they call eyewitness testimony) is not good evidence. Now while I agree that in a case where one side says this happened, and another side says it didn't, neither testimony carries much weight, multiple eyewitness testimony to a common event, in my opnion, carries weight. that said, if the LC "Truthers" want to say that eye witness testimony is little in terms of evidence that is fine...but then...

Either you or they have the wrong impression of what hearsay is. Suppose I witness a crime and tell you what happened. Your testimony would be inadmissable in a court of law as hearsay. There are some exceptions to the rule; for example, if someone confesses a crime to you, you can then testify as to the confession. Here's a pretty good explanation of the hearsay rule.

What you are describing is called "he said, she said". There are other reasons why eyewitness testimony is sometimes considered unreliable, especially in sudden, very brief incidents.
 
Ok.... it's been about a month now, since I smacked a pal of mine, out of the Dark Side! Since that time, I have asked every person, I have come in contact with, couple of thousand atleast, friends and strangers. I have yet to find one person! Not one, that buys it and, few have even heard of it. It is non existant for the most part.. Estimate heard of, less than 10%, amount buy it O%! Have any of you others found many? I know you heroes that go to GZ find them. I know if I find the nest I will find some eggs. But, are there any outside of their insular echo chambers? I am dying to find one face to face, this typing ain't my forte! Just curious!

DT
I wasn't aware of these theories until I joined this forum in March. None of my friends have ever heard of them (most are a bit older than the LC crowd), and of the thousands of people I have given tours to at Ground Zero, no one has ever asked me a conspiracy-related question.
 
I wasn't aware of these theories until I joined this forum in March. None of my friends have ever heard of them (most are a bit older than the LC crowd), and of the thousands of people I have given tours to at Ground Zero, no one has ever asked me a conspiracy-related question.

It's all delphi_ote's fault. Blame HIM! :boggled:
 
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