Loose Change - Part IV

[Brainster]

Why do CTs always assume that people are so stupid that they blow their own cover all the time.

Larry Silverstein: D'oh! I've just admitted I dynamited WTC7 on live TV
The Government: D'oh! I've just made a museum exhibit of the piece of paper that says I dunnit

United Airlines: D'oh! We forgot to include Mark Bingham on the Passenger Manifest for Flight 93!
NTSB: D'oh! We forgot to investigate the airline crashes of 9-11!
Ted Olson: D'oh! Why did my wife try to smuggle Italian Lira across the Polish-Austria Border?
United Airlines: D'oh! We forgot to retire the tail number of the planes used on 9-11!

 

[chipmunk stew]

Everything else has Museum signage, and these things have a hand scribbled note? They are definately in some kind of casing, as the reflection and glare shows, but without any singage we have no idea what we are looking at.

ETA: This could be showing an example of the damaged/destroyed recorders (those things in the back) being shown side-by-side with undamaged recorders that were donated by the Airlines.

Flight recorders from accidents are the property of the airlines. Though they are often seized as part of crash investigations, Airlines are not in the habit of donating FR's involved in crashes to anyone.

dylan avery

Posted: Aug 4 2006, 05:27 AM​

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(HotDogBun @ Aug 4 2006, 05:25 AM)Isnt it possible (since this is a public display and all) that these units are simply 'examples' of flight data and voice recorders from american airlines and united, to demostrate what they look like, rather than the ACTUAL ones form the planes that hit the towers?

Is there any more information on that display, such as something claiming they are the ACTUAL flight data and voice recorders??

they weren't the actual ones. they were pictures of the actual ones. but a placard specified them as the black boxes, if memory serves. it's late, ill dig up the high-quality pic tomorrow.

either way, they shouldn't be claiming they are intact if they "weren't found"

Memory might serve better if you had taken a picture of, oh I don't know, the RELEVANT INFORMATION.

 

[Ramooone]

you can see the piece of tape holding the picture up in the first pic hahahahaha.

For anyone that isn't banned over at LC, please go to this thread. Dylan's talking about how the Albany 9/11 exhibit has pictures of the FDR and CVR from the flights that hit the towers and how the 9/11 Commission says they were never recovered. Regardless.... give the thread a while to load as he has a bunch of pictures taken from the exhibit.

Now.... compare the ones taken of of the recorders to the ones taken of the rest of the exhibits. Am I going nuts or does it look like the recorders weren't taken by the same camera at the same place and maybe, possibly (to use a popular CT meme) "planted" by Dylan in the post.

Am I going all woo?

 

[Brainster]

Hey kids..

Look at those anonymous comments.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7216643725166640147&hl=en

They are on Google...how would I report this?

Contact the FBI, Mark.

 

[Hellbound]

uh no. Thermite burns down because of gravity. If you turn the container 90 degrees it'll still burn down. You might damage one side of the column, but not any more than the real fires did.

Psssst! I think that was sarcasm you were responding to!



A bit on thermite:

Thermite is relatively stable, and takes a good amount of heat to ignite. However, remote detonation would not be that difficult. A Potassium Chlorate/Sugar mixture can reach a temperature high enough to ignite the thermite/thermate, and can itself be easily ignited.

The big problems are the residue (large amounts of aluminum oxide and iron slag around cuts--both from the thermite/ate and the cut steel, smaller amount of barium compunds, and trace amounts of sulpher oxides, as it only makes up about 2% of the mix), the containers used to hold the thermite against the vertical columns so it would cut (would have to be some type of ceramic or composite), and the existence of melted steel columns (thermite would not leave a smooth, clean cut, unless it was set up in some type of pressure sprayer, which goes back to where are the remains of that. Not to mention that a cutting torch would be easier to set up and as or more effective, even if operating remotely).

 

[Johnny Pixels]

Contact the FBI, Mark.

I can just imagine the fuss if the FBI turned up on a CT kid's doorstep. That's not to say that Mark shouldn't, just as long as someone gets a video of the kids reaction when the suits turn up in sunglasses in connection with 9/11.

 

[Blackadder_no]

Another CT brainiac speaks:

The black boxes don't exist. Their entire meaning was pointless. GHow could they record the cockpit if they're at the tail section of the plane?

 

[chipmunk stew]

Another CT brainiac speaks:

The black boxes don't exist. Their entire meaning was pointless. GHow could they record the cockpit if they're at the tail section of the plane?

Besides, these are orange, not black!

Welcome to JREF, Blackadder_no!

 

[kookbreaker]

Memory might serve better if you had taken a picture of, oh I don't know, the RELEVANT INFORMATION.

Seriously. What is going on in that kids head? 'Oh look! Breakthrough information right here in the museum! Should I shoot everything about it or around it?! Nah. I'll just take a blurry photo and hope I remember all this stuff'.

 

[rikzilla]

Well now I've seen it all. Over at the Brit 9/11 nutter site someone posted a pic of the infamous "squib" during the collapse with a great big "WHAT IS THIS" pointing at it. I told them this:

Funny that. But all theories are not equal. My theory posits the existance of vents and machine rooms in buildings....(not very exciting though is it?) ...and then your theory posits the existance of a massive government conspiracy guilty of placing demo charges in the building. (wow, exciting stuff no!!??)

My theory requires: Vents and machine rooms to exist,..and air pressure.. :yawn: No controversy there I'd guess...even you would have to agree that 1. the buildings had vents and machine rooms...and 2. the collapse pushed air ahead of it.

Your theory requires:

• Expert demo techs working in secret.
• Explosives, det cord, blasting caps,..etc...
• Thousands of everyday people not noticing the demo techs.
• Drone planes to disguise the demolition.
• More techs to create the drone conversion.
• NORAD to "stand down"
• hundreds or more to keep their mouths shut. etc...etc...

That's just a partial list...there's also much to go wrong. The planes impacts could easily damage the detcords and primer connections. The demo charges might be found in the wreckage...and for what gain? To attack Iraq? By using Saudi patsies??

Insanity...that's the word for your theory.

What I got in return was a couple days of silence and then this:

scubadiver wrote:

Jay Ref wrote:

As I said before...my theory requires that there be a machine room, vent, and air pressure.

All of which obviously existed.

"Obviously"?

This dubious assumption doesn't support the official story very well does it?

So now they are heading down the road to a world where buildings don't have machine rooms or vents...but they do have invisible CD charges set...

Sheesh! These guys live in a comic-book world!
-z

 

[brumsen]

So I'll ask you - what exactly do you think is wrong w/ the official NIST reports?

1) They have not studied / modeled the collapses themselves, but truncated the timeline at the onset of collapse, assuming that total collapse was then inevitable; hence the discussion in eg Gordon Ross's paper;
2) They say that they have not found any evidence corroborating alternative hypotheses such as planted explosives, without actually having researched those hypotheses (well, at least they haven't written up such research)

Will you need page numbers or will this do?

 

[T.A.M.]

Anybody contact Albany Museum to find out what the deal is on the recorder pictures. Were they the missing ones from 11 and 175, or just replicas made to look like it, or were they photos of 77 and 93, used to represent the recorders. Only the caretakers of the museum would know.

 

[realitybites]

The blackbox thing doesn't appear to be as damning as I'd imagine. Both Avery's thread in the Investigate 9/11 section and the one I started in the Skeptics are kinda quiet.

 

[T.A.M.]

probably they are excited yet fearful at the same time.

If they are the recorders, then they might contain data supporting the debunkers...If they are not the recorders, than it is just more "bullcrap" supposed evidence that means nothing...

I can see why for now they are hush hush...

 

[chacal]

The blackbox thing doesn't appear to be as damning as I'd imagine. Both Avery's thread in the Investigate 9/11 section and the one I started in the Skeptics are kinda quiet.

Loose Change Final Cut is delayed and seems like Avery is grasping for staws. This blackbox thing is more silly than the truck bomb thing they had some time ago. They'd have to come up with something better to keep their fan base together.

good work guys

 

[negativ]

Beat 'em up with your luggage, boy. See if that works.

Didn't you know? The Neo-Cons had a plan as early as 1995 called Operation Samsonite to release 50,000 genetically engineered western lowland gorillas armed with luggage made by (OMG GET THIS!) Zero Haliburton into the NYC subway system, in order to arouse anti-African sentiment and provide a mandate for re-instituting slavery and also invading Somalia.

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE CATACLYSMIC DESTRUCTIVE POWER OF LUGGAGE.

 

[Hutch]

Seriously. What is going on in that kids head? 'Oh look! Breakthrough information right here in the museum! Should I shoot everything about it or around it?! Nah. I'll just take a blurry photo and hope I remember all this stuff'.

Just asked about the same thing you and others have postulated on the thread. We'll evaluate Mr. Averys' reply-or not.

Edited to add: Well, his reply is to insult me and then post my Internet ID, which shows I work for the US GOvernment (something I never hid). I thnk my reply to him (which I will post here) will probably signal the end of my days at LC.

Ah, Mr. Avery, I find your reply to a question (pointed, mind you, but still civil) is to fling an insult and then directly post my IP information just to make the point (which I have never disguised, BTW) that I work for the US Government, so that you can spread avoid answering my justifiable point by instead trying to intimidate me.

Come to think of it, that sounds just like something a Government Conspiracy would do to try and divert attention from it's own errors of ommission. Sauce for the goose, I believe.

In the end, Mr. Avery, you have shown yourself to be without Honor. Or even the barest concept of Honor.

And without Honor, you aren't very much at all.

 

[twinstead]

Anybody contact Albany Museum to find out what the deal is on the recorder pictures. Were they the missing ones from 11 and 175, or just replicas made to look like it, or were they photos of 77 and 93, used to represent the recorders. Only the caretakers of the museum would know.

I suspect it's too late. If they respond that they are indeed replicas, they will be accused of being part of the "cover up". If they respond that they have no pictures of any flight recorders, they will be accused of hastily removing them due to the "brilliant investigations" of Loose Change.

You can't win with crazy people.

 

[jhunter1163]

Quoted from Negativ:

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE CATACLYSMIC DESTRUCTIVE POWER OF LUGGAGE.

Who needs a JDAM when you've got the J-SAM?

 

[Johnny Pixels]

I've been a bit slow on this, but in this thread a long time ago I was talking to JohnDoeX about aeroplanes:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6884&view=findpost&p=5652277

He told me (in the post linked to) that taking off from Runway 22 at LGA (That's La Guardia to a thicky like me) takes you directly to the WTC if you don't climb or turn out of it.

I actually got around to checking his story, and found that a direct line drawn through runway 22 takes you...on a path around 3 miles away from the WTC.

No wonder he's not flying if he wanders 3 miles off course, 6 miles from the airport.