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Loose Change - Part IV

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Hutch said:
Just asked about the same thing you and others have postulated on the thread. We'll evaluate Mr. Averys' reply-or not.
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Turns out you're a shill for posting from a DoD NIC. God help any whistleblowers they might find in the DoD...
 
brumsen said:
I'm not sure about this one, but I'll just float it:
what about the Pentagon body parts. There's a radio interview playing with Avery saying the government has shown no evidence that there were bodies in the Pentagon. The videos show what I believe to be pictures used as exhibits in Moussaoui's trial. Question: is the radio interview a recording from before or after that trial? It's not clear, but important - if that evidence was not available at the time of the interview, Avery could hardly be accused of lying, but it is implied here that he did.
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I've been thinking on this. Bodies were identified via DNA, dental records, etc way prior to the Moussaoui evidence being released. The Moussaoui photos are by far the most dramatic evidence, and the easiest to use in the format in question. The Moussaoui photos are not, however, the first, nor the be-all end-all, of the evidence. From what I was able to find, the Avery interview, or maybe it was the Berman interview, coincided with the release of LC2, well after the victim identification and such.

And, frankly, if that is the best example you can provide for your claim of character assassination, it is a weak case.
 
Johnny Pixels said:
I've been a bit slow on this, but in this thread a long time ago I was talking to JohnDoeX about aeroplanes:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6884&view=findpost&p=5652277

He told me (in the post linked to) that taking off from Runway 22 at LGA (That's La Guardia to a thicky like me) takes you directly to the WTC if you don't climb or turn out of it.

I actually got around to checking his story, and found that a direct line drawn through runway 22 takes you...on a path around 3 miles away from the WTC.

No wonder he's not flying if he wanders 3 miles off course, 6 miles from the airport.
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... You wouldn't even fly over Manhattan....
 
brumsen said:
OK then.


I did not mean the NIST report, since that's just about the collapses; nor even the 9/11 commission report. I meant US foreign policy since 9/11, which has been based on a certain picture of "the enemy".
Agreed, though, that it's not quite as simple as something that could boil down to "islam is the enemy".
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brumsen,

I was going to reply in a PM since the thread has moved on so far since you replied to my post, but I thought that would be unfair to you. I accused you of not answering questions in a rather terse way and you answered with civility. I wanted everyone to know how much I appreciate that. I apologize for my "hectoring" tone.

And then, you had to go and (somewhat) agree with me! Boy, do I feel like a heel!
 
chacal said:
Loose Change Final Cut is delayed and seems like Avery is grasping for staws. This blackbox thing is more silly than the truck bomb thing they had some time ago. They'd have to come up with something better to keep their fan base together.

good work guys:)
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Welcome Chacal,

Funny how the Big Tower of Loose Change is collapsing, because Do Over Dylan and company have a lot of little fires to put out!

His "evidence" has long since been proven to be tripe, now he is going for "interviews" with the Willy Rodriguez' and the Bob Pugh's et al, and the New Final Finished at last, airtight, Loose Change will be a series of "probing" interviews, (uh-oh, leave out the fireman at St. Marks, Dylan, he really doesn't say anything, and he shoots a hole in the 'gag order' b.s.) and a statement that will replace "we're just asking questions" to the effect that We're just giving a voice to the people that the media have ignored (insert reason here)

Final Cut will be a yawner. They'll be giving that one away too.
 
Johnny Pixels said:
Turns out you're a shill for posting from a DoD NIC. God help any whistleblowers they might find in the DoD...
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Turns out he publicly posted the IP again. Took a screenshot of it.

Can't wait for the bump in salary I'll get for this one from the MIB.
 
This maybe old news but in the documentary film "Flight 93, the flight that fought back" there is an interview of Mark Binghams mother and she comments on why Mark might have used he's full name when calling her.

Once and a while he'd say that, he'd call up and... he was a young business man and used to introduce him self as Mark Bingham and he was trying to be strong and lewel headed and... stricly business "mom this is Mark Bingham"
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I guess the conspiracy theorist do not watch discovery because when this Fetzer guy makes fun of that phone call the crowd just applauds... amazing.
 
Huntsman said:
Psssst! I think that was sarcasm you were responding to!
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this dawned on me after i posted. oh well, it's been a bad week, or as a co-worker told me yesterday "you sure are grumpy".

I need to move to a neighborhood with more kids so I can yell at them to get off the lawn.
 
Johnny Pixels said:
I once asked on LC whether CTs thought the government was brilliant or incompetent, because they couldn't be both. Most said they thought the government was arrogant, so unsurprisingly I never actually got an answer.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7008&hl=
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Actually, what they're saying is that the government is so evil and arrogant that they think any story, no matter how preposterous, will be believed. This way they can circumvent the obvious genius-moron problem by simply claiming that they didn't care. It explains the "obvious" evidence, as well as the presence of said evidence.

Also, I like how they see everybody else as sheep that will believe anything the government says (never mind that a lot of posters are from outside the US.) It's just further confirmation of their need for self-gratification and social status. They are in the know. They know something you don't.
 
brumsen said:
1) They have not studied / modeled the collapses themselves, but truncated the timeline at the onset of collapse, assuming that total collapse was then inevitable; hence the discussion in eg Gordon Ross's paper;
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Would you be happy if they built a full-scale WTC complex and rammed planes into #1 and #2 and see what happens ?
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Well, Belz, remember we had a poster who pretty much suggested nothing short of such an effort would be satisfactory.
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And once it collapsed again, the theories of it being constructed with pre-fab demo charges would start up and 'round and 'round we go.
 
kookbreaker said:
Didn't they already get warned about posting personal info like IP addresses?
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You're "just asking questions" right?

Wouldn't it be just awful if the forum got shut down because of the sins of the patron saint, founder of the cult, Do Over Dylan Avery.

Oh, wait, it would be government suppression, and censorship.
 
realitybites said:
Turns out he publicly posted the IP again. Took a screenshot of it.

Can't wait for the bump in salary I'll get for this one from the MIB.
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Just remember, when you report it, don't post the screenshot of the report unless you are planning on not visiting that forum again.
 
So the magic pictures, are in fact a photo of a photo of examples of the black boxes recorders found in the two airlines aircraft, to show what they should look like, and then the mangled lumps behind them, and on either side of the display board, are in fact what they did find. Or am I looking at this wrong?

What is the official line on what was recovered from the WTC? From the pictures I gather that voice recorders for both aircraft were found, but severely damaged.
 
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