Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

Once we die it is too late to make that choice. And I guess that is something we all need to realize. Do we trust and believe God, or do we deny him?

First, you show us the smallest bit of proof that your god actually exists. Then we can start the debate about whether to trust and believe in him.
 
First, you show us the smallest bit of proof that your god actually exists. Then we can start the debate about whether to trust and believe in him.
God will proove himself once you believe in him. I know this through my own revelation of him and his word being true. It's more than a feeling it is an undeniable truth. God is who he says he is, he can do what he says he can do, I am who God says I am, and I can do all things through Christ!
 
God will proove himself once you believe in him. I know this through my own revelation of him and his word being true. It's more than a feeling it is an undeniable truth. God is who he says he is, he can do what he says he can do, I am who God says I am, and I can do all things through Christ!
You can do all things through Christ, huh? Feel up to a little demonstration?

And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
-Matthew 17:20
Surely you have more faith than a grain of mustard seed, kathy? You should be able to toss around two or three mountains, easy.

Go ahead, we're waiting. . .

:popcorn1
 
God will proove himself once you believe in him.
Oddly enough, exactly the same principle applies to the IPU. Why do you persist in denying the Invisible Pink Unicorn's existence? Have pasta and meatballs completely turned your face from the IPU's rose-tinted love?

Kathy, don't you see what a cop-out you're spouting up there? "If you believe, then you'll believe." Really, now. Doesn't take a rocket surgeon or a brain scientist to see how completely bogus that is.
 
So as to your question of why is Christ the only way, because God himself said so.

So God tied his own hands, limited his own mercy, decided there was only one way to get into heaven? Why would he do that? And why can't he change his mind now?

And since the beginning of time I guess it was all decided what God would have to do to try to save us.

How can an all-powerful being "try" anything? Either he does something or he chooses not to.

And what do you mean by "it was all decided"? Was it not God who decided the rules of the game? Does he answer to more powerful uber-gods? And if it was god, I ask again why would he tie his own hands like that? You almost make it sound like human salvation is some kind of cosmic video game, and Jehovah deliberately gave himself a handicap to make it more challenging.
 
kathy, you can't even get a single convert on this forum.

I'm stil waiting for her to start tossing mountains around.

I wish she'd hurry. . . I'm running out of popcorn.


Hmmm. . . Jesus supposedly divided the loaves & fishes. D'ya think kathy's faith would let her do the same with soda & popcorn?
 
I'm stil waiting for her to start tossing mountains around.

I wish she'd hurry. . . I'm running out of popcorn.


Hmmm. . . Jesus supposedly divided the loaves & fishes. D'ya think kathy's faith would let her do the same with soda & popcorn?

Could be. Anything's possible if you have faith, right? But you know what would be really awesome? If Kathy divided the sushi. I mean, the rice is sorta like bread, right? That would be a great sign as far as I'm concerned. I'd sell my soul for good Unagi (barbecued eel)! Oh, and some Nigiri (squid) or Tako (octopus). And maybe a side of sweet potato Tempura, that's always delish. And some sunomono...

...

Now look what you made me do! There's a puddle of drool all over my desk!
 
Could be. Anything's possible if you have faith, right? But you know what would be really awesome? If Kathy divided the sushi. I mean, the rice is sorta like bread, right? That would be a great sign as far as I'm concerned. I'd sell my soul for good Unagi (barbecued eel)! Oh, and some Nigiri (squid) or Tako (octopus). And maybe a side of sweet potato Tempura, that's always delish. And some sunomono...
What? You mean Kathy has finally seen the light and converted to the religion I founded, Bentoism? Yayyyy! Kathy, I can't express how pleased I am that you've decided to "work inside the box." As the humble First Prophet I welcome you. *deep bow*
 
Could be. Anything's possible if you have faith, right? But you know what would be really awesome? If Kathy divided the sushi. I mean, the rice is sorta like bread, right? That would be a great sign as far as I'm concerned. I'd sell my soul for good Unagi (barbecued eel)! Oh, and some Nigiri (squid) or Tako (octopus). And maybe a side of sweet potato Tempura, that's always delish. And some sunomono...

...

Now look what you made me do! There's a puddle of drool all over my desk!
Sorry Palimpsest, I don't like sushi! Can you think of something else?
 
Kathy, you can have children's bento instead. Nothing to be ashamed of, it's quite fun actually.

http://msittig.freeshell.org/imgs/bento/ <-- great photos of children's bento

Again, welcome to the only faith that can prove its claims via concrete, reproducible demonstrations. We're pleased you've converted and become a Bentoist. You'll not regret it.
 
Could be. Anything's possible if you have faith, right? But you know what would be really awesome? If Kathy divided the sushi. I mean, the rice is sorta like bread, right? That would be a great sign as far as I'm concerned. I'd sell my soul for good Unagi (barbecued eel)! Oh, and some Nigiri (squid) or Tako (octopus). And maybe a side of sweet potato Tempura, that's always delish. And some sunomono...

...

Now look what you made me do! There's a puddle of drool all over my desk!

I had some great toro tuna in Chicago last year. Mmmmmmmm...

Steven
 
God will proove himself once you believe in him.
Right, and if you believe in Scientology then Scientology will prove itself to you. This is a very well understood phenomenon and works with any occult, supernatural or paranormal belief. The more obedient and focused you are in any belief the more real it seems to you. Throw in confirmation bias and religion is ripe for true believers.

I know this through my own revelation of him and his word being true.
Exactly, all religions have true believers who know that their religion and their God is/are true. Your words would have some validity if they were unique to your beliefs. There not.

Kathy, I'm personally fine with religion so long as it isn't fanatical or that it encourages group think. I don't know you and I have no way to judge you as a person. I suspect that you are someone who genuinely cares about other people and I doubt that you would harm anyone.

That said, I think your religious fever is very dangerous.
1.) You are robotic in your responses.
2.) You exhibit no individuality.
3.) You exhibit no skepticism.
4.) You exhibit no critical thinking.
5.) Like any true believer you have given yourself over to a belief.

Beliefs can be parasites that to a large degree control the thoughts and feelings of their host.

Behold The Power Of Faith.
 
The biggest concern for each of us should be, "Where Will We Spend Eternity?"

You're wrong. Our biggest concern should be, "How can I use the time and gifts that I possess to leave this world in a better state than when I found it?" Why are you so concerned with what is going to happen? Once you enter eternity, you'll be beyond caring. Is this why our world is currently deteriorating faster than it should be? That the faithful are more concerned with their harps and halos and platoon of virgins, than with our polluted atmosphere, starving brethren, and terminally ill? This is why I find the "faithful" so infuriating. You've got something "better" to look forward to, so you disregard what you HAVE here and now, and your responsibilities to your home. (sigh) Cover the world and subdue it, huh? How's that working out for you? I'm sorry, but I had a small glimmer of hope that you really cared, but apparently all you care about is salvation, and how you can convince us to join you. I am...disappointed that your mind is closed to us. :'( Forgive her...for she knows not what she does...
 
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kurious_kathy
God will proove himself once you believe in him.
So those that require proof to believe are SOL.

God is who he says he is, he can do what he says he can do, I am who God says I am, and I can do all things through Christ!
If you’ve got the Christian superpower package, please demonstrate. This would go a long way to helping those of us that don’t believe. BTW, scientifically validated demonstrations, none of this hand waving and hitting people on the head stuff and declaring them heee’ald.

Ossai
 
A merry natal anniversary to you, RandFan!

2.) You exhibit no individuality.
I suspect at least part of this is because all of Kathy's posts (that I've seen) address religious issues to the exclusion of all else. Kathy, why not take part in some of the non-religious discussions on other parts of the forum? Surely you have interests other than religion, yes? I feel that you'd come off as less one-dimensional if we engaged in conversation on topics where you and we haev some common ground.
 
A merry natal anniversary to you, RandFan!


I suspect at least part of this is because all of Kathy's posts (that I've seen) address religious issues to the exclusion of all else. Kathy, why not take part in some of the non-religious discussions on other parts of the forum? Surely you have interests other than religion, yes? I feel that you'd come off as less one-dimensional if we engaged in conversation on topics where you and we haev some common ground.

Kathy doesn't think for herself. Her only answer to questions is to post links to fringe books that she is "reading". Not books she's read, but that she is "reading". Seems she never finishes them :boggled: She also regurgitates the crap that she hears from other people, but since she doesn't understand what it means, she can't put her own thoughts into it. She is no different that the people of Jonestown: An unthinking sheep.
 
So let's encourage her to think for herself. It's far more empowering, far more satisfying, far more REAL than relegating all one's responsibilities to an imaginary being.

I've tried, and it is a futile exercise. There are none so blind as they who will not see.
 

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