Bumper sticker. . .(shudder)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

No, just a better understanding and more knowlege! This world is persihing my freinds and if we are born again we will see the kingdom of God. Why would anyone in their right mind want to miss out on eternity?

Based on your response to my query, and your subsequent posts, it seems clear that your belief is just a projection of what your needs are onto others; the justification for those needs; and the segregation of those that do share your needs, and those that do not.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Based on your response to my query, and your subsequent posts, it seems clear that your belief is just a projection of what your needs are onto others; the justification for those needs; and the segregation of those that do share your needs, and those that do not.

So are you trying to say not everyone wants or needs love? I believe there is even scientific proof on that. Maybe people grow up and think it's not that important to them, but everyone deep down does want and need it.

 

[Roadtoad]

So are you trying to say not everyone wants or needs love? I believe there is even scientific proof on that. Maybe people grow up and think it's not that important to them, but everyone deep down does want and need it.

Nice, Kathy. You've just managed to demonstrate just what it was that Arkan was talking about through your twisting of his words.

Further evidence of what some have said: You're not lacking in intellect at all, you're just manipulative. One more reason to not trust you.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

So are you trying to say not everyone wants or needs love? I believe there is even scientific proof on that. Maybe people grow up and think it's not that important to them, but everyone deep down does want and need it.

I think "love" is just your drug of choice at the moment.

 

[Genesius]

No, just a better understanding and more knowlege! This world is persihing my freinds and if we are born again we will see the kingdom of God. Why would anyone in their right mind want to miss out on eternity?

Oh, my Ed. . .

Hasn't anybody loaded a "puking your guts up" smilie on the board yet?

kathy, I leave you with the words of Robert A. Heinlein, a greater writer and intellect than you can ever hope to be.

• God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent — it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks, please. Cash and in small bills.

• History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.
• It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.
• Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
• One man's theology is another man's belly laugh.
• Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense.
• The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.
  The second most preposterous notion is that copulation is inherently sinful.
• There is no conclusive evidence of life after death. But there is no evidence of any sort against it. Soon enough you will know. So why fret about it?

Finally, and most importantly:

• What are the facts? Again and again and again — what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what "the stars foretell," avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable "verdict of history" — what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!

Odds that kathy will actually get the message? 1:10¹⁰⁰

 

[Meffy]

If she wises up the million is yours.

 

[Roadtoad]

Oh, my Ed. . .

Hasn't anybody loaded a "puking your guts up" smilie on the board yet?

kathy, I leave you with the words of Robert A. Heinlein, a greater writer and intellect than you can ever hope to be.


Odds that kathy will actually get the message? 1:10¹⁰⁰

Actually, if she were smart, she'd copy the whole post and paste it on her wall. She might actually be a better Christian because of it.

 

[Roadtoad]

OK. Let's say you're wrong. Let's say these characters weren't just made up.

I dunno. Maybe you aren't able to be skeptical about your own beliefs. Or you don't care.

Anyhow, you do know unconditional love, so you'll be alright, you'll recognize it when you get an unobstructed view.

-Elliot

Dude, you can be a great guy. But don't stoop to the level of being condescending. Especially to my bro, here. He's endured enough.

 

[Foster Zygote]

So are you trying to say not everyone wants or needs love? I believe there is even scientific proof on that. Maybe people grow up and think it's not that important to them, but everyone deep down does want and need it.

I'm an atheist and I do need love. I get it from my wife. I get it from my beautiful 16 month old son. I get it from my other family. I get it from my dear friends who I would trust with my life. And I give it to these same people as well. I accept that you love Jesus. But telling others that they can't be happy or fulfilled unless they too love Jesus is like me saying that no one can be happy or fulfilled unless they love my son more than anyone else in their lives. Not everyone agrees that your god is the ultimate source of happiness. Many people who do not accept the claims of Christianity are quite happy and content without it.

Steven

 

[Foster Zygote]

More than that I think all people need unconditional love which is hard to find.

But God's love is very much conditional. The condition that must be met is acceptance of Christ's divinity. All those who reject Christ will be cast from God's grace. With respect to ElliotFC, who's beliefs on the matter differ, nearly every devout Christian would agree that this is the ultimate requirement to earn God's mercy.

Steven

 

[Foster Zygote]

Here's another great bumper sticker idea,

"Not Born Right The First Time, We Must Be Born Again, John 3:3"

I rather like this one it really makes one think.

Yes, it makes me think that God must not be all powerful if his creations are flawed the first time he tries. And you're only assuming that he'll get it right the second time...

Steven

 

[kurious_kathy]

I think "love" is just your drug of choice at the moment.

Well it is a whole lot better than other things people may choose. But when we think about love, it's not always easy is it? And it's not always what makes us feel good either. Sometimes love hurts, so why would that be a drug of choice?

No I love because God first loved me. And I have a lot more I could say about the healing God has done for me in the department of love, but I think I'll save that for another thread.

All I know is I was broken hearted in my life several times, and if God hadn't restored me I would have nothing to want to give to others!

 

[Roadtoad]

Well it is a whole lot better than other things people may choose. But when we think about love, it's not always easy is it? And it's not always what makes us feel good either. Sometimes love hurts, so why would that be a drug of choice?

No I love because God first loved me. And I have a lot more I could say about the healing God has done for me in the department of love, but I think I'll save that for another thread.

All I know is I was broken hearted in my life several times, and if God hadn't restored me I would have nothing to want to give to others!

Oh, good Lord. We're back to being trite again.

 

[Palimpsest]

All I know is I was broken hearted in my life several times, and if God hadn't restored me I would have nothing to want to give to others!

He hasn't. And you still have nothing of value to offer, just a lot of schmaltz about love. If I want that kind of stuff I'll read the backs of romance novels, thanks very much.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Oh, good Lord. We're back to being trite again.

Trite or open about things that matter? "Agape Love Matters" okay heres another sticker idea! Did you know when we go back to the original text or wording there are 4 different types of love? Agape, Eros, Philia, Storge.

Agape is defined as the love of choice or unconditional love.

Eros is defined as physical love that we have with our spouse.

Philia is defined as affectionate love like what we have for our children.

Storge' is defined as brotherly love.

Maybe pondering the different types of love can help people do a better job of loving each other. Food for thought.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

I saw an t-shirt design I am ordering and personally think it deserves to be a bumper sticker. "God doesn't believe in atheists" I think it says something!

Yeah, it says that Christians, such as yourself, are f---ing bigots.

 

[Palimpsest]

Trite or open about things that matter?

Wait, let me think about that.

...

...

...

Yeah, it's trite.

Maybe pondering the different types of love can help people do a better job of loving each other.

Doesn't seem to be working too well for you. Whether you call it Eros, Agape or Snugglebunnies, all you're doing is throwing words at us[*], talking down to the poor heathens, and generally being an arrogant pest. Is this what you call love?


[*] And I for one was aware of Agape, Eros and Philia. Not of Storge, tho.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Did you know when we go back to the original text or wording there are 4 different types of love?

We don't actually have the original texts. From the earliest Christian texts to the invention of movable type there are more accidental and deliberate changes among these hand copied texts than there are words in the new testament.

Food for thought.

Steven

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Well it is a whole lot better than other things people may choose. But when we think about love, it's not always easy is it? And it's not always what makes us feel good either. Sometimes love hurts, so why would that be a drug of choice?

No I love because God first loved me. And I have a lot more I could say about the healing God has done for me in the department of love, but I think I'll save that for another thread.

All I know is I was broken hearted in my life several times, and if God hadn't restored me I would have nothing to want to give to others!

Addictions of any type are, by definition, not always good and not something that is (necessary) wanted, but is needed. QED.

I think you're scared of non-Christians because they verbalize what that quiet little voice in your head whispers when you forget to bury it under dogma; that your quasi-fanatical belief is a cover for your insecurity and that your professed devoutness is a gilded way of covering your deep desire to be accepted/loved/approved-of/etc. So, you spout off your dogma in your posts, not because you really care about "saving" anyone, or that you really believe and want others to believe in order to help them; but because you - yourself- really want these things and deep down you know you don't have them. imho.

 

[EnanMyHero]

No, just a better understanding and more knowlege! This world is persihing my freinds and if we are born again we will see the kingdom of God. Why would anyone in their right mind want to miss out on eternity?

Cause it's utter crap. If I wanted eternity I would have been born immortal thank you very much. Let the world perish! Once the plague of humanity is finally gone from this planet it can get back to normal.