David Swidler
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In that case, get thee anon to Beirut.
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In that case, get thee anon to Beirut.
nice one!
What's Kathy's IQ, in your opinion? If we only include positive integers not including zero that is...
Kathy, I'd rather burn in hell than spend eternity in paradise full of religious people. For me, hell would be spending eternity with self-righteous people who don't think, but don't let that stop them from voicing their half-formed opinions as loudly and as often as possible, while ignoring overwhelming evidence that they are wrong. Bring on the brimstone.
Exactly!
I think lots of people would prefer hell to heaven.
-Elliot
Really? That's exactly what I think about every post of yours that I've ever read! Neat!
-Elliot
Where is the condescension, in my saying that he will recognize love, or in my saying that there are obstructions at place in the moment?
We all understand that humans are imperfect. There's your obstructions.
We all think that most people here are decent folk who prefer love to hate.
Or, is the condescension in my bringing up an alternative to oblivion? That's me being skeptical of the working belief. Is skepticism condscending?
Or (the most likely scenario), I'm being condescending for bringing up a reality that another has already rejected, has caused previous grief, and would rather not encounter again. To that I'd say that we are in a religion and philosophy forum, and what can be expected? Talk about such matters without personal application? Is there an inviolability of individual here? If so, why do people always say that believers are driven by fear, et al.?
-Elliot
kurious_kathy
What you need is some therapy so you can get off of the ‘suffering leads to spiritual high leads to suffering for your beliefs leads to spiritual high’ roller coaster you’re on.
If you would step back and look at the majority of your posts you would see how you deliberately provoke others. Once provoked they strike back at you (although on this board it’s usually just spewing facts in a relatively nice manner) which, in your mind, simultaneously justifies your belief and makes you a martyr for putting up with those heretics.
Ossai
Because you get-off on the whole martyr complex. It gives you a spiritual high when you feel you need to suffer. If you can throw in your religion you get bonus points.
What you need is some therapy so you can get off of the ‘suffering leads to spiritual high leads to suffering for your beliefs leads to spiritual high’ roller coaster you’re on.
If you would step back and look at the majority of your posts you would see how you deliberately provoke others. Once provoked they strike back at you (although on this board it’s usually just spewing facts in a relatively nice manner) which, in your mind, simultaneously justifies your belief and makes you a martyr for putting up with those heretics.
Ossai
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What needs am I projecting?
This is a good point, but it also must be qualified. The happiness and fulfillment that you get is *real*, and *limited* (oblivion putting an end to it, not in a negative way but in the way of nullilfication). If it's also *sufficient*, the individual has the right and the authority to make that call and hold it for the duration of the limited life span.
The Christian assertion is that a)our existence does not come to an end when we die, b)we are designed to need love and c)perfect love can only be exercised and achieved in perfect communion with God. In each of these cases, you are not in control as you currently are. The circumstances of our lives enable us to be satisfied and content while recognizing our needs. If the circumstances *change* (situation a), the current operating mode may not apply. If we are designed to *need* love, again, we are not in control of that, and the Designer would have something to tell us about that. And if perfect love does exist, again, you can't control that and can only choose to accept it or reject it.
We differentiate these things from achievable happiness and fulfillment on earth. *I'm not talking to you in particular in the following sentence*. Divorces happen, friendships fall apart, people let loved ones down, lives are ended prematurely, circumstances tear families apart, etc. Just as with love, these things can happen independent of Christianity. Nobody has to be a Christian to get and give love, and nobody has to be a Christian to lose and destroy love. Kathy is talking about a different kind of love than this.
-Elliot
NO NO NO I agree that Christ's divinity must be accepted. But that is equivalent to *accepting* unconditional love. God *offers* unconditional love, but the kicker is *DO WE ACCEPT IT*?
God offered/offers (that's another debate) unconditional love to the damned in hell, but they didn't accept it.
When we say unconditional love of God, we don't mean God smothers us with it so it is *impossible* to reject it. Love is reciprocal. Let's say you have a 20 year old kid. You have unconditional love for that kid. The kid tells you that he hates you and will never see you again and disappears. You never see the kid again. You still have unconditional love for the kid. *But does the kid receive that unconditional love in any real way*? No. So it is with God. Whether or not we receive the unconditional love is dependent on entering into the relationship. But we may refuse the relationship, and that is manifested in refusing Christ's divinity.
-Elliot
Agreed. Why not call "skepticism" a drug of choice? How about love for one's spouse? It's just a way of being dismissive.
Addiction having set it I reckon, if we stick with the analogy. The beaten spouse syndrome.
Yeah Kathy, but don't you get it? You're wrong, and they're right. Your personal anecdotes mean nothing to them. If you tell the *other* that God restored you to happiness you will be met with scoffs. If the other tells you that it wasn't until religion and belief in God was rejected that happiness was found, you accept that without question for that is inviolable.
Your personal story is not all that relevant and will never garner the applause and acceptance as does the converse. But I think that is only to be expected, given the population and direction of the forum. What's my point again? Hi.
-Elliot
Roady toady, what was more trite, her post or your reply to her post?
I thought her post was quite sensible, but if her personal conversion story (or whatever it is) is *inherently* trite...well...sheesh. Talk about being condescending.
-Elliot
Yeah Kathy. Take that! You suck! Who cares about how you experience love and what makes you happy?
Come back when you can tell this forum that you experience love and are happy after kicking yer religion to the curb. Then you will be major and embraced, because that is real love.
But if you change your mind about that, and re-deconvert, then you will suck again.
But if you change your mind after that, and then re-un-deconvert, then you will *rule* again.
No, choice has *nothing* to do with this. It's the result. And no, the result is not chosen. It is obvious!
Why can't you see that you are wrong Kathy? Don't you understand that you are completely lost and crazy and don't know anything? WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND KATHY, YOU ARE DRIVING US ALL BONKERS.
Just stop Kathy, nothing you feel or say or think means anything. You are just a person who is dumb. What we feel and say and think about love is meaningful because we are right. God, why don't you get it?
I really hope that when you are on your deathbed that you will recognize how stupid you've been. Because if you don't, then you will die thinking that you *actually did* experience and know love, when you didn't. And if that happens...well, I mean, ummm, it would be better if you died and thought like we did. Really. Don't you see? This is so obvious Kathy. You are so stupid.
-Elliot
My opinion on the matter has no weight. Long experience has taught me that I can't determine intelligence from what someone types on teh Intarwebz, not even make a rough estimate. It's possible that she's hiding her light under a bushel -- that she has a reasonably high IQ but cripples it with refusal to use her mind. I disagree with much of what you say but you at least seem to be using your brain.
Someone earlier provided Kathy with "food for thought" but I'm afraid she's on a crash diet.
Your need to tell people that they are projecting.
Your need to tell people that they are delusional.
Your need to think that you are smarter than Kathy.
-Elliot
Too much thinking can give people fat heads...thick ones...
Only if the thinking is incorrect. The results of not enough thinking are evident to all, and are devastating.
[edit] ... and you can put that on your bumper, with my compliments.
Cleon
King of the Pod People
On the contrary. It's more like "come back when you actually want to talk rather than preach." I don't know if you've followed the kurious kathy saga for very long, but this is a long-standing practice of hers. She doesn't "discuss," her posts fall into one of three categories:
1. Jesus makes me happy.
2. (Bible verse)
3. You should read (insert link to web essay by unknown preacher that consists entirely of points 1 and 2 here)
This is not about her religion. There are people of numerous faiths on this board, including Christianity, who don't get the abuse kathy does. Why? Because kathy is, first and foremost, a troll. If she had the slightest ability or desire to actually discuss what she's saying, the hostility would be much, much lower. Even Interesting Ian, as much of a woosih prick as he was, made for some interesting conversations and was missed by quite a few people once he finally got himself banned.