Islam in Britain - One Year Later

Dcdrac said:
So the when the when the head of the catholic church a few weeks ago was banging on about abortion was he not guilty of the same thing?
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That depends. Was he also saying that everyone should follow the teachings of Catholicism?

As an ex-Catholic who is also pro-choice, I'm very happy nobody is trying to hunt me down and execute me for being an apostate. :)
 
Apollyon said:
That depends. Was he also saying that everyone should follow the teachings of Catholicism?

As an ex-Catholic who is also pro-choice, I'm very happy nobody is trying to hunt me down and execute me for being an apostate. :)
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Yes he does, like the Pope does and like all Catholics are meant to do and part of being a free nation is he is just as free as any Muslim is to do so.
 
Darat said:
Yes he does, like the Pope does and like all Catholics are meant to do and part of being a free nation is he is just as free as any Muslim is to do so.
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In that case I do not consider the pope a moderate either. ;)
 
Apollyon said:
In that case I do not consider the pope a moderate either. ;)
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Someone let me know when the immoderate pope issues a papal bull saying Jesus wants us to slay unbelievers, homosexuals, and adulterers.
 
BPSCG said:
Someone let me know when the immoderate pope issues a papal bull saying Jesus wants us to slay unbelievers, homosexuals, and adulterers.
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Yeah. There's always that interpretation difference between myself and Muslims as to what the term "getting stoned" means. :)
 
BPSCG said:
Someone let me know when the immoderate pope issues a papal bull saying Jesus wants us to slay unbelievers, homosexuals, and adulterers.
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how many biblical references do you want? :)
 
Jon_in_london said:
I always thought transex was all about enforcing outdated legislation thats no longer fit for purpose. Oh well, my bad.
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Lets se now, checking airport security, checking port secuirty, prior to 9/11 i soent a lot of time at ports and checking cruise ship secuorty remember Achille Lauro?

The it al lchanged after then and we all pulled togehter and din new work.
 
andyandy said:
how many biblical references do you want? :)
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Do you see the word "Bible" anywhere in what I asked for?

Read what I asked for, again: "Someone let me know when the immoderate pope issues a papal bull saying Jesus wants us to slay unbelievers, homosexuals, and adulterers."

I'll make it even easier for you. Show me where Jesus said anywhere he wants us to slay unbelievers, homosexuals, and adulterers.
 
BPSCG said:
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I'll make it even easier for you. Show me where Jesus said anywhere he wants us to slay unbelievers, homosexuals, and adulterers.
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We've gone through this discussion before BPSCG - Christianity is not just about the words attributed to Jesus in the Bible, or rather for the vast majority of people who are called Christians it isn't (i.e. the over one 1.2 billion Roman Catholics & members of the Protestant churches).
 
BPSCG said:
Do you see the word "Bible" anywhere in what I asked for?

Read what I asked for, again: "Someone let me know when the immoderate pope issues a papal bull saying Jesus wants us to slay unbelievers, homosexuals, and adulterers."

I'll make it even easier for you. Show me where Jesus said anywhere he wants us to slay unbelievers, homosexuals, and adulterers.
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why reduce it to jesus? :) The OT is part of the bible too....last time i checked.....
The pope is representative of the Catholic Church - and the Catholic Church believe that the bible is the word of God....agreed?

There are plenty of OT passages which encourage/condone/portray as God's will the killing of unbelievers, adulterers and homosexuals.

why look for a papal bill? Why not just look at the core text that Catholism is based upon?
 
To try and drag this back to the OP.

I find the rise of unrest in the Islamic communities of the UK very worrying, however I do not think it is anywhere near a level that actually threatens the nation.

Unfortunately we still have some severe social problems in the UK that I think provide the fertile breeding grounds for ideologies to flourish, so in parallel with this issue of "Islamic unrest" we we also see unrest leading to the rise of support for parties like the BNP (which is a racist organisation masquerading as a political party).

I also see an apparent reluctance for any of the major political parties to tackle these issues head on. There are many reasons for this, one is a simple fact - Blair is a very religious person and actively supports sectarianism.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Take a look at the data provided by Darat. (Hey, that's fun to say.)
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Yeah, it's like a rap song or something by a German new wave band. Sung in a low gravelly semi-monotone.

Take a look at the data provided by Darat,
Take a look at the data provided by Darat.
Darat, Darat, Darat, Darat.
Darat, Darat, Darat, Arafat.
Darat, Darat, Darat, Darat.
Darat, Darat, Darat, and that's that.
Darat can do the data and the data are Darat's.
Darat can do the data and...that's that.
Darat (scratch)
Darat (scratch)
 
Darat said:
To try and drag this back to the OP.

I find the rise of unrest in the Islamic communities of the UK very worrying, however I do not think it is anywhere near a level that actually threatens the nation.
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How does anyone tell when that threat level is reached?

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Apollyon said:
How does anyone tell when that threat level is reached?

Edited to avoid topic creep.
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Well for a "measure" I would use we would have to be seeing levels of terrorist attacks significantly above anything we endured for decades during the "Troubles".
 
Darat said:
Well for a "measure" I would use we would have to be seeing levels of terrorist attacks significantly above anything we endured for decades during the "Troubles".
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Well I wish you guys luck then.

Personally, I prefer a proactive approach rather than a reactive one.
 
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Apollyon said:
Well I wish you guys luck then.

Personally, I prefer a proactive approach rather then a reactive one.
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So do I. However it is knowing what that "proactive approach" should be that is the critical issue.

My instinct would be to look at the commonality in recent civil unrest and in the last 20 years we can see a pattern that emerges (that is independent of any particular ideology or ethnicity but is constrained within a particular ethnicity) that closely matches areas of "deprivation" in the UK, so we see explosions of civil unrest in areas such Brixton.

Of course the current "Islamic unrest" raises some additional worries since they are definitely being influenced by people from outside the UK that have additional motivations then what we have seen in the past. So we need to find ways of countering those external influences and I think we are being to see some signs of this happening. For instance (and I'm sorry this will have to be anecdotal as I didn't;t note the programme it was on) I was listening last week to a representative of a group of Mosques in Bradford what was stating some simple changes they had made so they would no longer allow preaching in any language but English, they wouldn't accept preachers that were not educated in Britain and so on.
 
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