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Sheehan Fasts for Peace

Hey, if it works for her, good.

Peace is merely an illusion that people wish for when the going gets tough.
 
I, for one, wish her well in her fasting.

I, for one, think that she should fast until every troop returns home, even if it takes years. I'm sure the hunger pangs will stop after a few weeks.
 
What explains this? Mind control? Telepathy? Groupthink?

Aaron
Assuming that this was a serious question, my serious answer is that I don't know.

Perhaps I am just now noticing this and perhaps it has always been so, but it seems that party leadership develops a series of talking points about important issues of the day and those talking points within a very short time are repeated first by the party elites and then the partisan pundits and soon thereafter the party message makes its way down into the minds and voices of the rank and file partisan supporters.

Undoubtedly, the partisan spin is modified, contracted and expanded upon as it makes its way from the party elites to the general public. But what is amazing to me is how fast today that people of similar political persuasion are saying the same things about any particular issue.

And as to this topic, I fully expect there to be a whole raft of partisans ridiculing Shehan with roughly the same message as this story unfolds.

This is not to say that the Democrats don't do the same thing as the Republicans with respect to this but the Democrats don't seem to be as good at it as the Republicans.

If I were to make a guess, I think that is because the Republican party has become domingated by a particular ideological wing which makes it much easier for them to keep a consistent message going. Also, it probably has a lot to do with the fact that they are in power right now. By default, the party message is what the president says it is and unless a politician is in the mood to risk party sanctions he touts the presidents message which almost always ends up being the party message as well.
 
As to what effect the stunt will have, I lean to the idea that it will be a little bit positive. The US is getting out of Iraq. I think bushco would like to hang around as long as possible to play for any chance that something can be salvaged. But the political will for an indefinite stay doesn't exist. Sheehan and others are chipping away at what political will there is to keep the thing going on. And that is forcing the Iraqi government to plan for an Iraq without the US and the UK and my guess is that will be better for everybody concerned.

Sorry, but I think Sheehan has pretty much consumed whatever was left of her credibility, and I don't think her stunt will do much of anything. Her credibility died in my eyes the day she ranted about how we need to pull our troops out of "occupied New Orleans," and equated the deployment of troops there with deployment of troops to Iraq. Right now, I think she has gone so far politically to the left that few Americans care anymore. When she was an average American who lost her son in the war, and used that to protest the war, she garnered sympathy and had credibility. Since then, she has drifted far into the fringe, and IMHO lost whatever mainstream support she had.
 
Sorry, but I think Sheehan has pretty much consumed whatever was left of her credibility, and I don't think her stunt will do much of anything. Her credibility died in my eyes the day she ranted about how we need to pull our troops out of "occupied New Orleans," and equated the deployment of troops there with deployment of troops to Iraq. Right now, I think she has gone so far politically to the left that few Americans care anymore. When she was an average American who lost her son in the war, and used that to protest the war, she garnered sympathy and had credibility. Since then, she has drifted far into the fringe, and IMHO lost whatever mainstream support she had.

Yeh, this is the kind of stuff that influenced by view that Shehan was something of an idiot.

I agree the issue of whether she will have any impact at all and whether that impact will be positive or negative is not clear.

My assessment of a positive but tiny effect is based on this thinking:
1. Iraq, the US, the UK and the world will be better off with reasonably quick withdrawal.
2. Bushco needs political capital to maintain the troops and the funding for Iraq.
3. Reductions in Bushco's political capital force it to focus more directly on the problems at hand and less strongly on efforts to dump billions of dollars into the hands of their corporate buddies.
3. People like Shehan chip away at Bushco's political capital.

But I concede this is a complete guess and I could be wrong in just about every judgment. I find it at least reasonably plausible that Shehan's association with wackiness undermines her credibility to the point that her actions actually benefit the pro-Bushco folks.
 
Sorry, but I think Sheehan has pretty much consumed whatever was left of her credibility, and I don't think her stunt will do much of anything. Her credibility died in my eyes the day she ranted about how we need to pull our troops out of "occupied New Orleans," and equated the deployment of troops there with deployment of troops to Iraq.
That and her embrace of Hugo. She had (has?) no foreign policy "constituency" and thus it looked to me she was being led too much by far left wingnuts.

If she had stuck to her one point, "What was the purpose of my son's death?", she would be more powerful today. As it is, she has waned, indeed.
 
Perhaps, seriously speaking, the loss of her son caused Sheehan to have some sort of mental breakdown, which, if hardly a reason to take her rantings seriously, is at least a reason not to judge her too harshly for it.
 
RandFan said:
It worked for Ghandi and Chavez, will it work for Cindy and the other protestors?
I think that your question presumes facts not in evidence.

Mephisto said:
Doesn't even half catch up to the one Dr. Adequate posted - at least Chavez is kissing a woman. ;)
Why is it that liberals criticize Bush for not giving gays everything they want, even claiming that he hates them, and also make fun of him for showing affection to other men?
 
Affection? You gotta be kidding. That is a oil handhold - nothing more. It is a business relationship. Full stop.
It was a diplomatic gesture respecting Arab custom. It's exactly what Bush or any other US president should have been doing when the King of Saudi Arabia came to town. It's no different than bowing to the Japanese politicians or picking out your favorite sheep when visiting Australia.

j/k on that last one. :D
 
If she takes it far enough, she could get a feeding tube forced down her throat. This could turn into an anti-war and right-to-die protest!
 
If she takes it far enough, she could get a feeding tube forced down her throat. This could turn into an anti-war and right-to-die protest!
Let me be the first to say that Cindy should have the right to die.
 
It was a diplomatic gesture respecting Arab custom. It's exactly what Bush or any other US president should have been doing when the King of Saudi Arabia came to town. It's no different than bowing to the Japanese politicians or picking out your favorite sheep when visiting Australia.

j/k on that last one. :D

I'll accept that explanation if you can show or link to a picture of King Saud walking hand-in-hand with another head of state during an official state visit. If not, I'll stick to my assertion.

Got the last on ... :) ... I won't mention it to our Aussie brethern
 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - About 150 protesters sat in front of the White House on Monday to savor their last meal before starting a hunger strike that some said will continue until American troops return from Iraq.

The demonstration marking the Independence Day holiday was organized by CodePink, a women's anti-war group that called on volunteers to abstain from eating for 24 hours from midnight on Monday.

Some protesters said their fast would continue beyond July 4th.
In related developments, noted Iraq war supporter BPSCG held a counter-demonstration at his home in Alexandria, Virginia, with his wife and several neighbors. The group expressed support for administration policy in Iraq and for U.S. troops by consuming large quantities of solid food. One neighbor brought a red, white and blue parfait for dessert (made from strawberries, whipped cream, and blueberries), while other neighbors brought salads, baked beans, and additional desserts. Mrs. BPSCG prepared appetizers, corn on the cob, and a summer berry pudding (the last of which stayed in the refrigerator due to the unexpected glut of other desserts), while BPSCG roasted peppers on the grill and spent much of the afternoon preparing his famous rotisserie baby-back ribs.

The counter-demonstrators also consumed moderate amounts of alcoholic beverages, including Genesee Cream Ale, Lindeman's Australian Shiraz wine, and a powerhouse bottle of Rosenblum Zinfandel. BPSCG also prepared a pitcher full of frozen margaritas.

In the only sour note to the counter-demonstration, several of the women insisted on watching the Italy-Germany World Cup semifinals. The men protested by sitting out on the deck and drinking as much of the margaritas and Genny Cream as they could, while launching a raid against the crab dip.

"We believe the best way to show our support for our troops," BPSCG stated, "is to put meat on the grill and eat it. We are unanimous in our resolve to eat solid food regularly, in support of our troops, and we intend to eat solid food every day, if necessary, as long as it takes to finish the job. We encourage patriotic Americans everywhere to follow our example, and to eat solid food not just on Independence Day, but on Thanksgiving, Christmas, Super Bowl Sunday, and every other day of the year. The anti-war defeatists who want to cut and run and abandon Iraq to terrorists and insurrectionists will not prevail as long as patriotic Americans can fire up the backyard Weber."

Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, said she would drink only water throughout the summer, which she said she would spend outside President George W. Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas.
I agree with the "she's deranged" crowd. You couldn't get me to spend the entire summer in Texas unless you could guarantee an adequate supply of cold beer against the possibility of heatstroke.
 

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