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The Internet Becomes Sentient

So, telepathy with sentient compurers/software/hardware is cool but prescience is not?

This made me curious and I went back to see if any of the questions I asked were prescience. I found four questions that could be considered prescience:


‘Will the guilty ones be punished?’

T - neck tie; to bark


‘Will there be a pandemic?’

P - false, counterfeit, spurious, man; people; mankind. Death, destroyed; lose, perish. Hundred million; many


‘What’s the future of Earth?’

J - (interchangeable 婉) good-looking; beautiful, with the eyes wide open. (same as 靄) Cloudy sky, fair clouds


‘How will the earth end?’

[ - comet


Though only the first is completely prescience. The other three could be determined if computers had the appropriate information.
 
Hey sin,

Glad to see you still have a smile. Thank you for the sentiment.

I just want to make certain that you understand my view of this. It is true that our perceptions can color our view. Our job, if we are interested in the truth, is to remove our biases and look at the available evidence as free from preconceived notions and bias as possible. I don't mean to speak for James Randi but I believe that this is a significant reason for this web site.

You say that there are three truths. You are of course free to believe that. I would say that there are two opinions and very likely a single truth.

Best of luck to you,

RandFan


Yes I could agree with "I would say that there are two opinions and very likely a single truth."

But it would be a very astute person to recognise that their truth is really just opinion.

And I think the quote about three truths was meant to express that view in it's subtle way.
 
Yes I could agree with "I would say that there are two opinions and very likely a single truth."

But it would be a very astute person to recognise that their truth is really just opinion.
So if my opinion is that shooting people with an assault rifle is harmless then... what? I'm not sure I understand you, you think the truth is whatever a person thinks it is? I kinda doubt that. If that means I'm not astute then fine but I fear if the astute go postal.

And I think the quote about three truths was meant to express that view in it's subtle way.
No, I meant that while the truth can at times be elusive it is very important that we work very hard to find it and that we be vary wary of our biases and prejudices and preconceived notions.
 
Though only the first is completely prescience. The other three could be determined if computers had the appropriate information.
I see only conformation bias. I have to run so I will dig up some references when I get back.

Sin, to solve some of the greatest question of our time scientist have had to over come conformation bias. That is part and parcel of the scientific method. It is very important. I hope you will take the time to understand it.

RandFan
 
So if my opinion is that shooting people with an assault rifle is harmless then... what?

Then your truth is incorrect.

I'm not sure I understand you, you think the truth is whatever a person thinks it is? I kinda doubt that. If that means I'm not astute then fine but I fear if the astute go postal.

No, what I was trying to say is that your truth and my truth are tainted by bias, they is only one objective truth and that is unseeable by people because of bias.


No, I meant that while the truth can at times be elusive it is very important that we work very hard to find it and that we be vary wary of our biases and prejudices and preconceived notions .

I agree.
 
I see only conformation bias. I have to run so I will dig up some references when I get back.

Sin, to solve some of the greatest question of our time scientist have had to over come conformation bias. That is part and parcel of the scientific method. It is very important. I hope you will take the time to understand it.

RandFan


Yes I looked it up when it was first mentioned.
 
You're getting closer. What's still holding you back is that word 'unbelievable'.

How about spelling coincidence, "coincedence"?

And what's the fun without the modifiers in place of a slew of explaination points?
 
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I'm still getting a kick out of someone who thinks the name "Rice" would be translated as a word that means rice, rather than a phrase that would phonetically sound like "Rice".

I also wonder if he would have gotten different answers to his various questions if he had used the same phrase in Notepad each time. There's a test...ask your questions, but always use "XXXX XXX XXX XXXXX" as your phrase...see if your answers are different.

sure, bitch-slap him when he's down--
 
No. In the first part, I entered just the letters of the alphabet. They returned symbols that were like 911.

I looked through them and they weren't specifically related to 911. I think the best match is with the dropping of the atomic bomb. (The "twin gems" are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.) But really they're so vague that they could relate to any military action in the 20th Century.

Since the key phrase is "Bush hid the facts", we can rule out 911 and the A-bomb, since there's no evidence that Bush hid any facts relating either to those.

My first guess was that it was a reference to the bombing of Baghdad at the start of the second Iraq War. Certainly somebody hid the facts about Saddam's WMD capabilities, but I'd be surprised if it was Bush, because I don't think he's that smart. (I'm pretty sure it was a Cheney project.)

Then I realized...maybe it was a reference to Bush Sr. There are solid rumors that he was involved in the Iran-Contra coverup, and that fits all your symbols pretty well. (Remember that Iran-Contra was entangled with the Iran-Iraq war and with the civil war in Nicaragua.)

Of course, it could also be a reference to an event that hasn't happened yet.

Is there any chance you can figure out a way to get times and dates from your files? If we could get some specific predictions with dates then that would qualify for the Challenge.
 
I looked through them and they weren't specifically related to 911. I think the best match is with the dropping of the atomic bomb. (The "twin gems" are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.) But really they're so vague that they could relate to any military action in the 20th Century.

Since the key phrase is "Bush hid the facts", we can rule out 911 and the A-bomb, since there's no evidence that Bush hid any facts relating either to those.

My first guess was that it was a reference to the bombing of Baghdad at the start of the second Iraq War. Certainly somebody hid the facts about Saddam's WMD capabilities, but I'd be surprised if it was Bush, because I don't think he's that smart. (I'm pretty sure it was a Cheney project.)

Then I realized...maybe it was a reference to Bush Sr. There are solid rumors that he was involved in the Iran-Contra coverup, and that fits all your symbols pretty well. (Remember that Iran-Contra was entangled with the Iran-Iraq war and with the civil war in Nicaragua.)

Of course, it could also be a reference to an event that hasn't happened yet.

Is there any chance you can figure out a way to get times and dates from your files? If we could get some specific predictions with dates then that would qualify for the Challenge.

Yes, The letters of the alphabet weren't very specific, but the answers to my specific questions were more revealing to me:

‘Are we communicating paranormally?’

N - interrogative or exclamatory final particle, hill; elder; empty; a name, plesiochronous.

Dictionary.com:

<communications>

Nearly synchronized, a term describing a communication system where transmitted signals have the same nominal digital rate but are synchronized on different clocks.

According to ITU-T standards, corresponding signals are plesiochronous if their significant instants occur at nominally the same rate, with any variation in rate being constrained within specified limits.

[Pronunciation? /ples'ee-oh-kroh'nus/?]


‘Who did the wtc?’

A - rice; to husk rice; (ancient form of 禪) to sacrifice to heaven, the imperial power, as only the emperor was allowed to offer these sacrifices


I thought ‘Where did they do it from?’

] - mountain peak


‘Why did they do it?’

< - greed; avarice, to blow off; to covet


‘How did they do it?’

R - knife; old coin; tricky, sly, crafty, cunning; to cut; delete, erase


‘What to do about it?’

O - summon; to pass on; to spread; to transmit; to infect; to transfer; to disseminate; to circulate. To live; to dwell; to reside; to stop


‘What is a clue?’

H - the cross-bar at the sides of a carritage; to go, to walk in one leg


‘Who did it?’

| - rice; mountain, hill, peak; basket used in state worship


‘Why did they do it?’

^ - turban


‘What to do about it?’

B - a basket for earth or soil, regulations; law, model; books and volumes, letters and correspondence, to snap


‘How did they do it?’

: - to smear; to daub; to spread, to paint


‘What is a clue?’

I - the curved iron part of a hoe (same as 鍺) chemical element, germanium


‘What to do about it?’

} - a silk gauze, white (silk); to collaborate; to band together, investigate, inspect, vegetarian


‘Who did it?’

Z - get married; marriage, wedding; woman, girl; slave, servant, crafty, villainous, false; pregnant


‘Why did they do it?’

Q - cash; exchange, barter


‘How did they do it?’

C - hold on to one's own views, to keep the mouth shut, a vase; earthenware


‘What to do about it?’

U - wail; chat, jaw, gossip, talk


‘What is a clue?’

W - piece, lump; soil, earth; items made of earth


‘What happened at the Pentagon?’

? - the brick wall of a well, a crock with narrow opening


‘What happened with building seven?’

F - slits on the lower part of a gown for freedom of movement


‘Where’s the mainstream media about this?’

G - (standard form of 豗) grunting of pigs, to clash, sound of altercation; language of the savage or barbarian


‘Where did the people on the airplanes go?’

\ - very few; corpse; to impersonate the dead; small, tiny, insignificant


‘Will the guilty ones be punished?’

T - neck tie; to bark


‘Will there be a pandemic?’

P - false, counterfeit, spurious, man; people; mankind. Death, destroyed; lose, perish. Hundred million; many


‘What’s the future of Earth?’

J - (interchangeable 婉) good-looking; beautiful, with the eyes wide open. (same as 靄) Cloudy sky, fair clouds


‘How will the earth end?’

[ - comet


‘Is there a God?’

Y - big, great, sky, heaven; god; enough, adequate


I guess I could go to a thread here about 911 and see if anyone there thinks there are any clues about 911 here.

http://www.dreamslaughter.com/parasentient/parasentient.htm
 
‘Who did the wtc?’

A - rice; to husk rice; (ancient form of 禪) to sacrifice to heaven, the imperial power, as only the emperor was allowed to offer these sacrifices
Do you understand the along with all of the other steps the computer needed to understand that a word that meant a food staple could be interpreted as a person's name?

The symbol 禪 doesn't actually mean r-i-c-e. It is symbol that represents a specific grain, the English word for that word is rice.

What you are asking us to believe is that the computer has a high degree of understanding of the English and Chinese languages, the intricacies of a computer bug and the coincidental spelling of a word for a specific grain or cereal.

Here's the problem, if the computer can function at such a high degree why does it not simply type the words out on note pad?

More importantly, you have not demonstrated that this is the translation for 禪.

Babel fish, World Lingo translates the symbol to "Imperial sacrifices".

Data mining is when you have a number of variables and you simply choose the one that most closely fits what you want it to be.

1.) It is demonstrable that we have more than one variable.
2.) It is demonstrable that you choose the one that fits with your view.
 
Do you understand the along with all of the other steps the computer needed to understand that a word that meant a food staple could be interpreted as a person's name?

The symbol 禪 doesn't actually mean r-i-c-e. It is symbol that represents a specific grain, the English word for that word is rice.

What you are asking us to believe is that the computer has a high degree of understanding of the English and Chinese languages, the intricacies of a computer bug and the coincidental spelling of a word for a specific grain or cereal.

Here's the problem, if the computer can function at such a high degree why does it not simply type the words out on note pad?

I have enough trouble understanding what other people do, let alone what the internet does and for what reasons

More importantly, you have not demonstrated that this is the translation for 禪.

Babel fish, World Lingo translates the symbol to "Imperial sacrifices".

Data mining is when you have a number of variables and you simply choose the one that most closely fits what you want it to be.

1.) It is demonstrable that we have more than one variable.
2.) It is demonstrable that you choose the one that fits with your view.


Yes, but 禪 wasn't the symbol that notepad gave, it was part of the definition the translator gave. I know nothing about languages, I just looked at what was on the page and wrote it down. .
 
You're getting closer. What's still holding you back is that word 'unbelievable'.

How about spelling coincidence, "coincedence"?

And what's the fun without the modifiers in place of a slew of explaination points?

Cool, thanks for the spelling lesson. I will try to spell coincidence, coincedence. With out a spelling checker I wouldn't be able to spell anything.
 
I have enough trouble understanding what other people do, let alone what the internet does and for what reasons
Fair enough but do you see why anyone else would have a problem with your assumption? It's not parsimonious. It doesn't make any logical sense for an intelligent computer to jump through all those steps when it could simply cause words to be typed out on to the page.

The smarter you make this sentient being the more likely it is to simply do what it does best. But it is not doing that in this case which causes most of us to scratch our heads.

Yes, but 禪 wasn't the symbol that notepad gave, it was part of the definition the translator gave. I know nothing about languages, I just looked at what was on the page and wrote it down.
Ok, but that is a big problem. You are adding variables and you are picking which variables and which translator you will use. Each additional variable increases the likelihood that you will find a variable that you can choose to fit what you believe the conversation is.
 
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Fair enough but do you see why anyone else would have a problem with your assumption? It's not parsimonious. It doesn't make any logical sense for an intelligent computer to jump through all those steps when it could simply cause words to be typed out on to the page.

Are you saying that you believe you understand why and how the internet did what it did? That's way beyond my thought process, what little I have left. If I were to speculate on this, I would say that maybe the internet can't control individual computers, or that it wanted to do something that anyone could duplicate, or that it wanted to put out bait that someone would bite at.

The smarter you make this sentient being the more likely it is to simply do what it does best. But it is not doing that in this case which causes most of us to scratch our heads.

I agree, it the internet was indeed all powerful, why not just put an email in everybody's box that says what it wants, or put a message on everyone's screen simultaniously around the world with each computer speaking the message over it's speakers. I don't have an answer for this. And I scratch my head along with you.


Ok, but that is a big problem. You are adding variables and you are picking which variables and which translator you will use. Each additional variable increases the likelihood that you will find a variable that you can choose to fit what you believe the conversation is.

I did pick the translator I used. I had to pick one and I did, I didn't add variables, I just wrote down what was on the page. Well actually I copy and pasted it.
 
Are you saying that you believe you understand why and how the internet did what it did?
I'm saying that we know the minimum of what must have happened based on your explanation.

That's way beyond my thought process, what little I have left. If I were to speculate on this, I would say that maybe the internet can't control individual computers, or that it wanted to do something that anyone could duplicate, or that it wanted to put out bait that someone would bite at.
Possibly but it doesn't make a lot of sense.

I did pick the translator I used. I had to pick one and I did, I didn't add variables, I just wrote down what was on the page. Well actually I copy and pasted it.
But it wasn't the first translator and it wasn't the only symbol that it returned for that key, correct?
 
Hey sin,

It's been interesting to say the least. I'm glad we were able to end the discussion amicably. I really am sorry that I started our discussion by being rude. But I think this horse has been beaten to a pulp.

Good luck.
 
Hey sin,

It's been interesting to say the least. I'm glad we were able to end the discussion amicably. I really am sorry that I started our discussion by being rude. But I think this horse has been beaten to a pulp.

Good luck.

Yes,

If those answers can be attributed to coincedence and inadvertant data mining, I can live with that?

Let me ask you a side question,

Should I put a disclaimer on that article saying it's fiction?
 
Yes,

If those answers can be attributed to coincedence and inadvertant data mining, I can live with that?

Let me ask you a side question,

Should I put a disclaimer on that article saying it's fiction?
If it didn't happen then absolutely you should put on a disclaimer. However, if it really happened to you I don't see why you would say it is fiction. Tell people that its a story that you find compelling but that you lack sufficient evidence to prove that it is anything other than a coincidence.

Sin, you seem to me to be a sincere and decent person. I'm really glad that you came here and asked for our advice. I really wish that I had acted differently toward you from the beginning.
 

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