The Internet Becomes Sentient
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Do not trust sinsanity for I top him
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Go ahead, stick that in your notepad
潄渠瑯琠畲瑳猠湩慳楮祴映牯䤠琠灯栠浩
□the ditch □□畲 □□□□paper mulberry □reflects 牯 □□the lamp □to be vast
"From the depths of his weak arguement, study has revealed the great truth"
Huh? I put that in Jean's translator and I didn't get the same thing. I also put it in WordLingo and BabelFish. The three different translators I used were pretty close to matching, but the translation you posted didn't match?
What translator were you using?
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Ok sin, I'll grant that you have a pretty good sense of humor. Thanks, that actually made my day. It's good to see that you are not taking this too seriously. I was beginning to worry.
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But then that is the point, don't you see? You are changing variables until you find the one that matches.
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Yes, there is a Unicode bug, I agree. Thank you for your time.
Can you confirm or deny if all the software and applications used by all applications related to the Unicode bug , were released before 911?
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Yes that's beautiful, it helps me get a better grip.
Thanks
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Can you do a reading for the internet?
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Sin, there is no probably about it. It is a well understood, documented, repetable and predictible anomaly. There is absolutely nothing mysterious or questionable about it. Anyone who can solve a crossword puzzle and perform the same function as the program using a pen and paper.
Is there really any question whatsoever in your mind about what is going on?
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Yes, I know that; if I give you a bunch of letters, you can predict what Chinese characters they will appear in the Unicode bug. And you can translate them. Do you know how to determine if all the software, hardware and underware that is directly related for the Unicode bug was realeased before 911?
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It really makes no difference since we understand why this is happening and the "why" has nothing to do with 911. You are seeking mystery where there is none. It is well understood why this is happening and even if the code were written after 911 it would not make sense that this has anything to do with 911.
There is a simple explanation for this. Almost anyone can understand it. We are lucky in that regard. Can you imagine if this were more complex? Magic thinking coupled with the human need and ability to find meaning can make meaning out of something that has no meaning other than an anomaly.
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Again, it doesn't matter since the explanation for why this is happening doesn't require 911 nor does a supposed relationship to 911 help in understanding why this is happening.
It is simply an anomaly that is well understood. We know how and we know why this is doing this. Trying to link the anomaly to 911 is an exercise in futility.
sinsan, maybe you missed my last message; but the Unicode table was definitely published no later than 1996.
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Yes, and has been pointed out time and again. It is very confusing. Normally when something is confusing and person A asks person B to explain, person B explains.
1.) I'm person A.
2.) I don't understand.
3.) You are being rude by not explaining.
So you are confused by what I said. You see it is possible to be confused. I'm confused with your article. In any event, I think I finally understand what you are doing. Please correct where I'm wrong.
1.) You telepathically ask a question.
2.) The computer exploits the computer bug to formulate an answer and communicates the answer to you telepathically with a letter, say "x".
3.) You use this letter to get the answer by putting the letter in the following format: xxxx-xxx-xxx-xxxxx
4.) The computer bug returns a Chinese character.
5.) Using a translator you translate the Chinese characters to get the answer.
So, the procedure you are following is a feedback loop where the first two steps are telepathic. Right?
I don't understand your answer. It is very frustrating when you respond in such a way. I am trying to be as clear and respectful as I can. Would you please show me the same?
Neither, it is an error in logic.
To date no empirical data has been given to show otherwise. You don't need to take my word for it. However to change my mind you would have to provide empirical data to the contrary.
This is simply a claim and one that is easily dispelled.
I seriously doubt anyone in this thread will ever agree with you. It is clear that you are simply Cherry picking your data. It is conformation bias. A way to prove that it is not data mining or that it is not cherry picking your data has been provided. The experiment is a good one and should it be successful would demonstrate empirically that you are correct.
Are you willing to perform the experiment?
ETA: I have formulated an experiment that can be performed pro hoc (after the fact) on the available data. Would you be willing to consider the experiment?
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My information about the IsTextUnicode() history comes from the article "Why I don't like the IsTextUnicode API" at http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2005/01/30/363308.aspx and says:
This article was written before the bug was discovered, but after my version of notepad was created (thus, the bug isn't something that appeared in the code after the article). From this I deduce the bug has existed since NT 3.5
Now, I note from a page that:
(http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide). However, it also notes that Windows 2000 does, so it is likely that is where this bug will first appear (and it was indeed released in 2000, before the 911 attacks).
As far as the symbols themselves go, if you're using lower case letters or upper case letters starting at N or later, this is the range 46-7a(hex), which will land you in the large CJK block (4E00-9FFF) of unicode. The spaces always end up as the 2nd byte of the code, so they don't change the range.
The earliest mapping I could find online was 1.1.5, which was from 1995:
http://www.unicode.org/Public/1.1-Update/UnicodeData-1.1.5.txt
It lists the CJK block at 4E00, so it existed as far back as then.
Finally, character encodings do not change. Specifically, there is a stated guarantee:
http://www.unicode.org/standard/stability_policy.html
Which is valid from version 2.0 onward. (1996)
So while the encodings probably date back to 1991 with ISO 10646, I can only provide full evidence of them existing in their present state back to 1996.
ETA: Fixed url
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In this case the more the better, IMO.
There is no logic, it's just a simple function (in the mathematical sense of this word).
It's like an equation, a simple algorithm.
The bug causes notepad to take the numbers in memory (which represent characters of english alphabet) and display them as if you asked for chinese, and not english characters:
My final attempt at convincing you:
"bush hid the facts":
Bi 桳栠 touches 琠 敨 reflects picks 獴
"bush hid the chair":
Bi 桳栠 touches 琠 敨 flexure indignant
"bush hid the deers":
Bi 桳栠 touches 琠 敨 pokes 敥 attains
so we now see that some characters in "bush hid the" translate to "Bi ?? touches ??"
Let's find out which:
"bush hid the xxxxx":
Bi 桳栠 touches 砠 硸 砠 硸 硸
we're getting closer
"xxxx hid xxx xxxxx"
硸 硸 栠 touches 砠 硸 砠 硸 硸
"xxxx xid xxx xxxxx"
硸 硸 栠 touches 砠 硸 砠 硸 硸
"xxxx xxd xxx xxxxx"
硸 硸 砠 traces 砠 硸 砠 硸 硸
So id translates to "touches"
let's confirm:
"idxx hid the facts"
Touches 硸 栠 touches 琠 敨 reflects picks 獴
So we now have:
"bush hid the facts":
Bi 桳栠 touches 琠 敨 reflects picks 獴
"idid hid the facts"
Touches 栠 touches 琠 敨 reflects picks 獴
an interesting find when I was testing:
idid hid the idxxx
translates to:
Touches 栠 touches 琠 敨 the wooden tablet used in ancient times for record keeping gorge 硸
))that's because the last "id" in "idxxx" is placed incorrectly.
unicode interprets "couples" of characters at once.
so in this case, it doesn't interpret the "id" as a couple, but rather " i" and then "dx" which gives
"gorge"
example
"idid hdx the facts"
gives:
Touches 栠 the gorge 琠 敨 to reflect picks 獴
to those interested: the bug is not in the application itself, but in the isTextUnicode() API call - API is a part of the operating system. Notepad simply uses windows to help it in some common tasks.
Therefore, the problem is with Windows, and not notepad or the Internet.
http://apipes.blogspot.com/2006/06/this-api-can-break.html
EDIT: sorry petre, I see you've already covered some bits of this post.
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Sinsanity, do you now understand how it works?
Do you understand that the date the software was created has nothing to do with it?
If any date need to be considered, it would be the date unicode mapping for chinese characters was first implemented, and I assure you it was before 2001.
It's as if you translated your english sentnece into numbers, and then the numbers into chinese.
Do you understand that the date the software was created has nothing to do with it?
If any date need to be considered, it would be the date unicode mapping for chinese characters was first implemented, and I assure you it was before 2001.
It's as if you translated your english sentnece into numbers, and then the numbers into chinese.
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I just realized he referred to you as Randifan--
I wonder if anyone has that screen name yet? He must not of heard of Ayn, I guess.