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The Internet Becomes Sentient

Crispy Duck said:
That's much better, nice one. Not too small at all, and it looks 100x more professional.



I originally suggested that you should repeat your experiment, but asking different questions - however, you say below that you've already done so.



This is a big problem. Given that you accept that the same input gives the same output every time, regardless of the question you're asking, it seems that you have rationalised this by believing that you were somehow led into choosing the 'correct' character to enter into Notepad, so that you got the relevant answer. This part of the story really should force you to reconsider your conclusions, but you've attempted to rationalise a way round the problem. That's a problem for you.
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Yes, that's where the paranormal aspect comes in. If the data didn't fit the questions exactly I would have blown this off a week ago. But the pesky little fact that the answers fit perfectly makes it so I can't blow it off. I hope you can see that.

Crispy Duck said:
It seems that you are genuinely distrubed by this experience.
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I am.

Crispy Duck said:
I'm trying to let you see that there's nothing to be concerned about, but to believe that you'll have to let go of the magic.
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I already have.


Crispy Duck said:
You're not special, you're not the chosen one; you're safe.
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I agree, but the unavoidable answers will still be there tommorrow.



Crispy Duck said:
It's been nice talking to you :)
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Same here, thanks for your time, You've been a help.

:)
 
roger said:
Lamuella, interesting story about your friend. Did you know it's generally recommended not to argue with people suffering from psychotic delusions? The delusions do not exist due to faulty reasoning, and the stresses involved with the confrontation actually increase the delusional state.
http://www.bcss.org/Get_Information/Information_for_Families/manage_common_symptoms.html

Naturally I can't diagnose over the internet, but if we see behavior that appears to be the product of psychotic delusions rather than misapplied reasoning, perhaps we should just lay off a bit? Just a thought. :)
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Thanks so much for your input, I wish completely that people would stop arguing and start helping. How about this, for the sake of argument, try to help figure out how the answers could be so right on, when I did not search the data to fit for the questions. Even better, for the exercise, imagine that what I claimed happened to you. What would you do? I am already planning to see somebody at a local clinic. So skip that.

Thanks

:)
 
sinsanity2006 said:
I thought it was a funny coencidence that within 24 hours of me posting this here headlines around the world said:

Robots Invade Human Mind

Coming soon: mind reading computers

New computers may be able to read minds

Scientists Develop Mind-reading Computers

US, UK scientists invent mind-reading computers
People's Daily Online, China

Soon: Computer that reads your mind
Times of India, India

Computers 'set to read our minds'
BBC News, UK

New computers can read minds
iAfrica.com, South Africa

Computers That Can Read Minds
techsearch, NY

New computer knows how you feel
Scenta.co.uk, UK

Scientists working on mind-reading computers
EiTB, Spain

'Emotionally Aware' Computers May Be Able to Read Minds
TechNewsWorld, CA

I mentioned these because it is kind of quirky that these all appeared within twenty four hours after I posted this here. Nothing more than trying to bring some humor to the discussion. Just smile at the headlines and move on.

You still dont understand what's going on here.

Please, we both know what the bug is, why it happens and that it exists. Can we please move past that and to the real issue.
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Hate to tell you, Sinsanity, but again you are pulling correlations out of your imagination. Those stories are old news. I first heard about the facial pattern recognition software they refer to months ago. Long before you ever posted here.
 
timster said:
sinsanity, the other day I was trying to remember the name of a movie. I went to Google and typed "zombies in london with red eyes"

I pressed Enter and bam, right there on the page was the answer. If I type "who did wtc?" it tells me plain as day "Jews did WTC." It's also offering me numerous alternative theories.

Why is this different in substance from your method, other than the fact that the answers are clearer and in English?
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Thanks for the reasonable comment, thank you.

Not much difference, except it would be like you asking a question to yourself in your head and then going to google and clicking on the random website button and it gives you the correct answer to the question in the first ten words. And then that happening twenty time in a row.
 
Lamuella said:
you did? Where? Quote the part where you specifically considered the possibility that this was a prank, and what led you to reject this possibility and decide that instead it was the internet talking to you in chinese.
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From the article:

"How could this be happening? Where did these symbols come from? Who decided which Chinese symbols were used to match up against the alphabet? Was it just an amazing coincidence? Was there some programmer somewhere with too much time on his hands that actually tried to put things about 911 in the programming of Chinese symbols? That sounds a bit far fetched, but possible. The alternative was even more far fetched."
 
Lamuella said:
My point is that you are seeing pattersn where there are none. Lots of people do. One of my best friends in the world had a mental breakdown in 2002, and for three years believed that the BBC news were trying to frame him as a paedophile. He worked in all sorts of inconsequential details from his life into this huge elaborate pattern. There were particular people we both knew who he refused any kind of contact with because he believed them to be "agents" based on chance words in conversation or rearranging the letters of their names.

He was seeing patterns where none existed. You are doing the same thing in your own way.
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I understand what you are saying. And I plan to move away from this very quickly, The last two or three weeks have turned bad. The problem is that when it's all said and done, the pesky fact that the answers fit exactly what the 911 truthers are saying, escept for Rice, will still be there. Those answers are totally a pattern that exists and will not go away.
 
Lamuella said:
I have read your article, and it isn't clear at all that this entity was talking about september 11, or even talking at all.

For example, the first character you looked at: 獴

The kangxi key for this character is 94.14. Your interpretation for this character is based on the kangxi characters 94.0-94.3. The character 獴 is usually taken to mean "rain".

THis is what I mean by searching for patterns where none exist. You specifically sought out the meaning that was most similar to 9/11. You pick the terms that sound right to you, "commit crime, violate; criminal", "wolf; cruel, wicked, mean", but you ignore ones on the same page that don't sound right to you, like "mammoth" or "a fierce Mongolian wolf dragon's head on roofs".

This is selection. This is you providing the other side of the input. This is a mental equivalent of the ideomotor effect.
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Sigh, thank you so much, finally someone that is willing to look at the data.

You make me proud, Lamuella. Here's what gets tricky about this, There are a lot of variables about this, What translator did you use? I used :

http://perso.orange.fr/gaoling/hanzi/index.htm

and that translator doesn't show "rain" as a translation for 獴. I put 獴 in the translator I used and it came out as per the answer I originally posted. Could you please check the translation with the translator I used and see if you come out with the same result?

There is another variable, the fonts you have installed on your computer. I have over 1800 fonts. The Chinese symbols appear as different fonts. I don't know if they change from computer to computer. I could sure use the help, if you could check that symbol in the above translator.


Thanks so much.


:)


<3
 
Sinsanity, what would you need to convince you that this was not paranormal and that the answers have nothing to do with 911?
 
sinsanity2006 said:
Sigh, thank you so much, finally someone that is willing to look at the data.

You make me proud, Lamuella. Here's what gets tricky about this, There are a lot of variables about this, What translator did you use? I used :

http://perso.orange.fr/gaoling/hanzi/index.htm

and that translator doesn't show "rain" as a translation for 獴. I put 獴 in the translator I used and it came out as per the answer I originally posted. Could you please check the translation with the translator I used and see if you come out with the same result?

There is another variable, the fonts you have installed on your computer. I have over 1800 fonts. The Chinese symbols appear as different fonts. I don't know if they change from computer to computer. I could sure use the help, if you could check that symbol in the above translator.


Thanks so much.


:)


<3
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I used that translator as well. It gave no direct translation for that symbol, and it did give the translations you suggested as well for other symbols on that kangxi key. However, it also gave other translations.

On of the symbols at kangxi position 94.3 is, as you point out, 犲, which according to the site has a meaning of wolf; "cruel, wicked, mean". However, another symbol at kangxi position 94.3 is 犸, which according to the site means "mammoth".

I think you need to ask yourself what made you take one of these meanings and not the other.

As to where the word definition came from, I could be wrong. "獴" is usually pronounced as "méng" in mandarin. The same pronunciation gives "靀", which means "drizzling, light mist, rain". There is a page with the etymology of the character here: http://www.yellowbridge.com/language/character-etymology.php?searchChinese=1&zi=獴

unfortunately, I speak no cantonese or mandarin, so meaning beyond this is lost on me.
 
Sigh, wow, another reasonable question, Thank you so much. :)

First off, I don't have a clue why this happened, I am only guessing by working backwards from the results to see if I can make any sense of this. Although I have stated my position on this, It is only a guess. Thanks for trying to help out with this.

The sentient internet had all this information. It wanted a way to reveal it. Unfortunately It landed on me because I did the right things that would make it happen. This new, so far undiscovered virtual consciousness riding piggyback on the internet, used what it had available to reveal the information.

I don't know why it just didn't write the questions and answers on the screen, or use the voice simulator to say it, or send me an email with it in it. maybe it can't manipulate individual computers, but can manipulate what I ask and the data flow, maybe it knew that none of those would be accepted as something more that a glitch.

I have mentioned before that I made a list of possibilities:

Some programmer with too much time on his hands.

A Miracle.

An astonding coincindence.

Aliens.

Elvis.

Someone playing an really bad joke on me.

Me being insane. (sigh, boy am I gonna hear about this one)

I really don't know which is the most possible. Personally I'd say the most possible is an amazing coincidence. Next someone playing a joke on me. Next most likely is me being insane, Except that the answers will still be there looking at me tommorow. Next aliens.

If you can come up with other possible reasons, please let me know.


hodgy said:
Randfan - I'm not sure you're taking the right approach on this.

Sinsanity:



(Sinsanity)

Ok - so we've established that the internet itself is not needed as a correspondant in this discussion.
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No. I think it is possible that the internet led me to the correct questions as per the article.

Sigh.



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Do you have any idea what it is like looking at the sentence I just typed and realizing that I typed it. You have any idea how this has shattered my religious views, has upset everything I learned. You have any idea what it's like for me trying to accept that I may be completely bonkers. I wish you did. This is one time where I realize that misery loves company. For a moment think what you would do if something like this happened to you.

Don't you know that I wish all of you were standing right behind me as I did this and there were television cameras taping it. Do you realize that I don't like being insulted. I wish there was some kind of clue so I could have set up all kinds of objective proof and indesputable evidence.

None of that happened. I can't change that.


hodgy said:
(Sinsanity)

So if the internet is disconnected and the various translation servers are just reading the same translation libraries - what is driving / feeding this? Since the raw data is coming from Notepad does that mean that Notepad is sentient?
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I don't know. It seems that there are different translators that give different translations as per my last post with Lamuella. I asked her to use the translator I used to see if she got the same result I did. She said that her translation was different, but I don't know what font she fonts appeared or what translator she used.

hodgy said:
Are you proposing that the sentient internet infected Notepad with the algorithm that subsequently yielded your messages?
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I doubt that. Maybe the internet manipulated the data in stream, maybe it manipulated my questions via paranormal communications. I don't know. Maybe it did infect notepad and created "bush hid the facts" to go viral. I truly wish I knew.



hodgy said:
(Sinsanity).

As above, I take it that you accept that the translation servers are just dumb terminals, reading from a simple library of words and characters.
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Yes, but it appears that there are different translators that give different results on the symbols that notepad generated.


hodgy said:
(This leaves 2 sources for your sentience: the internet and notepad. Since you believe that the answers do not depend on the internet actually being connected that leaves 2 options:

1. Notepad is sentient.
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I doubt this, I have a feeling that this existed before this sentient thing. But I don't know. It's a guess. I don't know how long this bug has been around.

According to wikipedia it was discovered a little more than a month ago. That's about a week or two before it landed on me.


hodgy said:
(2. The sentient internet somehow preprogrammed notepad / the translation servers to work together to deliver the internet's messages to mankind.

Have you a view on this?
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Like I said, maybe it did all that and more or maybe it did none of that or less. My guess is that it's a combination of a number of things.

I don't know how long this is gonna last. Everytime I read back what I am writing I get more uncomfortable. This is not fun.



hodgy said:
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Thank you so much for at a minimum treating me with respect. Thanks for asking questions that help me sort through this in some logical way. You are a big help. Thank you

:)

<3
 
Gr8wight said:
Hate to tell you, Sinsanity, but again you are pulling correlations out of your imagination. Those stories are old news. I first heard about the facial pattern recognition software they refer to months ago. Long before you ever posted here.
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If that's the case I made a mistake. All the news items I posted were dated after I posted here. Any chance you could link to a news article that pre dates my post here?
 
Capsid said:
Sinsanity, what would you need to convince you that this was not paranormal and that the answers have nothing to do with 911?
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Go through the questions and answers one by one and show me how they don't relate to the 911 truth movement.
 
sinsanity2006 said:
Go through the questions and answers one by one and show me how they don't relate to the 911 truth movement.
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would you accept showing you how they can relate to a wide variety of subjects other than 9/11? would you accept showing that they can all relate to a randomly chose subject with the same degree of correlation as to 9/11?
 
RandFan said:
Sinsanity,

You seem too emotionally involved in this.

I will back down from the insults. I apologize. I won't respond further until you understand that I have apologized, ok?
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Sinsanity,

I see that you have worked past my apology, can I assume that you have read it?
 
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