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The Internet Becomes Sentient

The reason that the words relate to 911 is because the notebook bug went viral ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral ) with "bush hid the facts".

What you just said doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

If this thing hadn't gone viral, the letters would still be the same, and the online translation tools (i find it highly amusing, btw, that you picked the one kind of application that demonstrates better than anything else how utterly far we are from artificial intelligence) would have yielded the same english words.

In fact, the words would have been the same if 911 had never happened.

There is nothing in this entire story that is in any way remarkable; in fact, if you have a clue about what unicode is it makes a hell of a lot of sense very quickly. In fact, I am sure that just by looking at the specifications, one could determine what lines of text trigger the bug in notepad.

How anyone could get the idea there'd be a conspiracy involved is beyond me, and I don't understand why anyone would fall for this redicuklous explanation.
 
How anyone could get the idea there'd be a conspiracy involved is beyond me, and I don't understand why anyone would fall for this ridiculous explanation.
Credulity. Anyone who has worked with computer programs for any amount of time would no way think this was anything significant. It is absolutely mundane. Bring this up at a programmers conference or a hackers club or gamers meeting and you will be promptly kicked out.

There is nothing there. Even before finding the answer one thing was abundantly clear. The program was operating according to code. It might not have been intended but it was based on code. Nothing more nothing less.

Sinsanity,

1.) What questions?

2.) What answers?
 
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Still doesn't explain how the internet could answer direct questions with reasonable answers paranormally.

Please stop being so dumb, or do it quietly and somewhere else where it doesn't make my head hurt!

"the internet" does not answer any questions, let alone with anything resebling "reasonable answers", much less in any way that could be described as "paranormal".

And it has been explained to you what goes on and why none of it is even the least bit suprising.
 
Still doesn't explain how the internet could answer direct questions with reasonable answers paranormally.
You know what really is unexplained? Why YOU won't answer direct questions with reasonable answers?

1.) What questions?
2.) What answers?
 
No. It's too long, too boring, and it's basically gibberish.

Sigh, I am sorry for wasting your time. Let me know if there is anything I can do to make it better for you. Just as a side note, you've spent much more time commenting about an article you haven't read, than the time it would take to read it.

:)

Ok - you used the Internet to translate the symbols, but this bug has nothing to do with the Internet - you still haven't explained how you link this bug with a sentient Internet.....)

Unfortunately, you will have to look at the evidence to understand that.

The internet answered direct questions with reasonable answers.


At this point I'm not really interested any more - I'm just trying to help you learn to express yourself a little better.. Try again with short easy-to-understand sentences and make sure you hit all the points you're trying to make.....)

Thank you so much, I really value your help and I will try to put your suggestions to use. I hope you don't go away. I'd like you to understand what's going on here.


Some words that you've listed that have absolutely nothing to do with 911.

anti-aircraft defense
empty
air force
in vain
air defense
Manifest.
Rocky hill
Eye
look
see
blind
close eyes
sleep
hibernate
hypnotism
mesmerism
Fatigued
head sores
chronic disease
chronic illness
Field
lime
to roast
Small river
engineer
people
subjects
citizens.

Yes, I understand why you would think these words have no relationship with 911. A couple of months ago I may not have seen a relationship either. But after looking at what the 911 truth people are saying I now clearly see a relationship. Remember, this started with "bush hid the facts", so we look at them related to 911.

You moved some of the words around so they are not as shown as they were in the article.

anti-aircraft defense
empty
air force
in vain
air defense

This has to do with NORAD. The 911 truthers scream about this. They say there were 67 successful interceptions of arrant airplanes in the nine months prior to 911. Remember Paine Webber's jet that lost voice contact and crashed? NORAD Intercepted his jet within sixteen minutes.

NORAD automatically intercepts any airplane that loses the transponder, loses voice contact and/or strays from their assigned flight plan.

Any one of these conditions will trigger a NORAD intercept.

On 911 NORAD made zero intercepts out of four targets with all three conditions for an intercept happening.

Andrews Air Force Base is within fifteen miles of the pentagon. These jets fly at 2000 miles per hour. They had one hour and twenty minutes to intercept the flight that hit the pentagon.

Manifest

Other words that were of that translation:
manifest, cult, a sacrifice at the beginning of a military campaign; stone

This is the Manifest Destiny that PNAC, Project for a new American Century spelled out.

http://post911timeline.org/PNAC.htm

This is an organization that existed before Bush was elected.

The Sunday Herald claims that "A secret blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001." Though it is not secret, you can go look at it at PNAC's website.

The pre 2001 group's members and leaders were, among others: Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearl, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, John R. Bolten, etc.

You can see a more inclusive list here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

(In one of their major reports, written in 2000, they noted that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.")

rocky hill

this was translated from multiple symbols, other words relating to rocky hill were: mountain, hill, peak; basket used in state worship, mountain peak,

Cheyenne Mountain Air Station (CMAS), commonly known as NORAD, is located on the lower southeastern flanks of the mountain, with the command center located 1300 feet inside.

fatigued
head sores
chronic disease
chronic illness

I'm not sure if you pay attention to the news, but a lot of 911 rescue workers are getting seriously sick. The EPA said everything was okay, right after 911, but it turns out the the rubble was very toxic.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&q=sick+911+workers&sa=N&tab=nw

field

This is the field in pennsylvinia where flight 93 crashed. this is another talking point of 911 truthers. Here are pictures of the crash site of where a major airliner crashed:

http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/flt93.htm

Please don't go on about the web sites I send you to. Just look at the photos, I just needed a source for the photos. So just comment on the photos.

The official government theory why there was no debris? The ground swallowed the aircraft up. I'm not making this up.

lime

I don't know what this means.

to roast

This is what happened to the people trapped in the towers.

small river

This is the video that went viral just a couple of weeks ago, showing a small river of molten metal flowing out of the wtc.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=545886459853896774&q=metal

Physicists and engineers say there was nothing hot enough to cause metal to flow liquid in the fires at the wtc. This flowing happened just before the collapse at the spot where the collapse started. This is just a very recent development in the truth movement.

I know, I know, these could mean anything. But since this started with "bush hid the facts", we are looking at them in relation to 911.


The last three are in the list because they would have to do with anything, and are in no way specific to 911.....)

this is a set of words that you moved. They go with other words that were translated.

Here's the translation of the Chinese symbols translated to in this translator:

http://perso.orange.fr/gaoling/hanzi/index.htm

Enter "w" in the form "wwww www www wwwww" into notepad. save it and reopen it. Copy the contents into the translator. Read the translation:

wwww www www wwwww - Eye; look, see; wide open eyes; to gaze in astonishment, blind; unperceptive, shortsighted, straight, erect, vertical, close eyes, sleep; hibernate, hypnotism; mesmerism, people, subjects, citizens.

This describes what America saw on 911.

The 911 truthers can't believe how the public and the mainstream media refuse to look at the evidence, how blind they are to the truth and knee jerk react to anything outside the official theory.

This is a big talking point of the 911 truthers.

You'll have to explain the meaning of the word viral and what you mean using it here in this context I'm afraid, because i think you maybe think it means something different to the way i would use it... ....)

This has become a common way to describe how thoughts, information and trends move into and through a human population. Memes are possibly the best example of viral objects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral


You yourself have already demonstrated that the bug works with just about every letter of the alphabet - it doesn't matter what you type in. 'Bush hid the facts' is just a cool application of it.......)

Yes, I agree, except for the "just".


And finally - if these words are all relevant, and if the Internet is sentient, (and if notepad had anything to do with the Internet), What exactly is 'it' trying to tell us? Is this a prediction? (bit late...) A warning? (of what?) An attempt to inform us that GW is incompetent? (umm, duh....)

Considering that this all started with "bush hid the facts", it seemed to turn out that it told us what the facts were. That's the whole point of this.
 
I read it, three times, and it seems a bit "all over the place". I can't say I got "huffy" and neither do I think the other posters here did..

I'm humbly apologise. It was not directing that at you. I have only been insulted three or four times. That's okay. I can take it, and I just hope that it brings some happiness to the insultors and their loved ones, gained from another's sorrow.



You're new here. .

You got that right.



You should realize that this is the forum of a foundation which encourages critical thinking. I'm almost positively sure you knew that before you came here because you posted in the Challenge Forum with an obvious intent to apply for the JREF One Million Dollar Challenge..

Yes. But if I remember my main motive, it was to talk it up with a bunch of people that deal with this kind of issue. Stop and think what you would do if something like this happened to you.



This forum sees dozens of rookies per year who immediately start threads claiming something sensational. If you do that - as you did, in two forums, no less - you should expect careful scrutiny of your words..

That's why I'm here. I want the scrutiny. And have not avoided it. But It's strange, people getting strange about an article that they haven't read.


And you should get ready to stand intense questioning - after all, your thread title suggests something very weird for an audience who values logic..

Fire away.


Last not least: You decided to go public. You should be ready to stand a sensible reaction.

Bring it
 
Okay, dang, this is friggin hard work. As a tension breaker, here are a few more headlines about computers picking up another aspect of sentience. This story and all these headlines were posted after I posted here.

US, UK scientists invent mind-reading computers
People's Daily Online, China

Soon: Computer that reads your mind
Times of India, India

Computers 'set to read our minds'
BBC News, UK

New computers can read minds
iAfrica.com, South Africa

Computers That Can Read Minds
techsearch, NY

New computer knows how you feel
Scenta.co.uk, UK

Scientists working on mind-reading computers
EiTB, Spain

'Emotionally Aware' Computers May Be Able to Read Minds
TechNewsWorld, CA

Now, please, don’t go all strange. This headlines happened, I'm sure it is a coincidence, and it has no relation to this. Right. Just look at it as entertainment.

I hope you get some enjoyment from this funny turn of events.
 
Now, please, don’t go all strange. This headlines happened, I'm sure it is a coincidence, and it has no relation to this. Right.

You have

a) Not read the articles
b) Not understood the articles

The links if followed in the other thread speak of individual computer-programs that can interpret human facial expressions and evaluate the emotional state of the human that is being observed.

This has nothing to do with what you call "the internet" and it has nothing to do with computers being sentient.

Oh, and "the internet" is very unlikely to ever develop conciousness. Computers on the internet know preciously little about one another and barely interact. (compared to what braincells do, anyways). There is no room for evolution and the development of conciousness.

Long before any of the servers I use would ever get anywhere near becoming part of a concious network, I'd pull the plug - the costs of traffic would just kill me. In fact, if my providers are worth what I am paying them, they would block the increased traffic without me ever noticing a thing.
 
Interesting? Perhaps to someone who did not know about Easter Eggs. However to someone like familiar with Easter Eggs, no, it is not interesting. In fact it is a rather mundane Easter Egg.

Amazing? No.

I know what Easter eggs are, I talk about this being programmed into this notepad or Windows bug in the article. That was the first thing I thought about as I was falling into this.

I’m a bit curious, what other Easter eggs are you referring to. The first Easter egg is attributed to a video game was by Warren Robinett, where he hide his name in it. Mundane? I know the one about Grand Theft Auto hiding some sex, I know that there’s nudity in some Disney films. The “make love” ; “not war” one, there are a lot of Easter egg, on different kinds of things, DVD’s, Software, hardware, ROM’s. The MathWorks' MATLAB: has one that will answer questions with an ambiguious answer. These Easter eggs usually have to do with sex, humor, listing people’s names or inside jokes.

Do you forget what we are talking about here. We are talking about getting answers to the biggest homocide in US history, well besides maybe the killing of the american indiginous indian.

I’m sorry you feel that that is mundane. I don’t. If you feel that homocide is more mundane than a little T & A in a video game. I'm sorry


? Are you being serious? If you are joking you are pissing me off.

Yes. I'm not joking.




It did not do this.

I read the article.

Yes it did.




No, it's an ester egg. You are data mining. You are taking the results and running them through a translator looking for meaning. That is BS.

Yes, I am running them through the translator to find clues and the facts of 911. That is how this started “bush hid the facts.





Hey, here's a thought, why doesn't the sentient Internet just spill the beans? Why is it playing games?

Answer: It isn't.

I did spill the beans. It’s not playing games.



? Do you even know what you are talking about? Please to detail for me how data mining is using the scientific method?

One starts with the premise that “bush hid the facts”.

Then you use the notepad thing to look for the facts.

The Translations give you answers to the questions.

You look at them and say, “Wow, that’s interesting, the answers seem to relate to 911”

And I agree, if someone knows nothing about the 911 truth movement, the translations might not make sense. But anyone that has looked into it will see the connection immediately.




If you are not kidding and you are sincere about this then I would strongly recommend that you go to http://www.randi.org/jr/archive.html and search for "Bible Code". The method used to come up with the silly "answers" is explained in detail.

Not interested. I know how they do it. If you want to talk about the bible code, go talk to the people that came up with it.






Thanks for spending time with me. The most valuable thing on earth is your time. You can't ever get it back.

:)
 
Update, it isn't an intentional Easter Egg.

Here is the answer:

Again, the first thing I thought of was some programmer put this in the programming. This still doesn't explain how it answered direct questions with reasonable answers.
 
? What on earth are you talking about? This proves that an idiotic premise became popular. So what? Why do you think this is significant and why are you saying "it went viral"? Please explain?


From wikipedia:

The concept of something, other than a biological virus, being viral came into vogue just after the Internet became widely popular in the mid to late 1990s. An object, even a non-material object, is considered to be viral when it has the ability to spread copies of itself or change other similar objects to become more like itself when those objects are simply exposed to the viral object. This has become a common way to describe how thoughts, information and trends move into and through a human population. Memes are possibly the best example of viral objects.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral
 
Again, the first thing I thought of was some programmer put this in the programming. This still doesn't explain how it answered direct questions with reasonable answers.

A list of words, from which you have to pick and chose the ones that make up the actual answer, and which you then have to mix and mangle about until they are in non-random order and which then requires you to interpret the meaning is anything *but* "reasonable answers".

There is nothing going there, other than another silly microsoft application features a little bug. For some reason, a string of ASCII characters is reinterpreted as Unicode.

From there, you have a reliable 1:1 transition from the original text to Chinese kanjis. Unicode has been around since the early 90s, so really, there is no way anyone or anything could make up any of this at a later stage.

Do you understand this?

It is not possible that the process you observed is the result of any concious reasoning, much less aiming to answer specific questions! There are no variables in the entire thing, and the outcome has been fixed for well over a decade. (says me, without looking into when the according kanjis have been included into unicode.)

Rasmus.
 
Again, the first thing I thought of was some programmer put this in the programming. This still doesn't explain how it answered direct questions with reasonable answers.

RandFan said:
You know what really is unexplained? Why YOU won't answer direct questions with reasonable answers?

1.) What questions?
2.) What answers?

Well?
 
What you just said doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

If this thing hadn't gone viral, the letters would still be the same, and the online translation tools (i find it highly amusing, btw, that you picked the one kind of application that demonstrates better than anything else how utterly far we are from artificial intelligence) would have yielded the same english words.

In fact, the words would have been the same if 911 had never happened.

I agree, but I don't know if it's true that it was there before 911. The date on the notepad.exe is after 911. I know that German XP users can't replicate it. So I can't answer that point.


There is nothing in this entire story that is in any way remarkable; in fact, if you have a clue about what unicode is it makes a hell of a lot of sense very quickly. In fact, I am sure that just by looking at the specifications, one could determine what lines of text trigger the bug in notepad.

That's the basis of this whole thing.

That if you save a notepad text file, using letters and some symbols, without using some symbols, numbers or returns; in the form four letters, space, three letters, space, three letters, space, five letters; you will cause the bug to happen sometimes.

Even the bug is buggy. "bush hid the facts" causes the bug. "bush hid the truth" does not cause the bug. "when all oil wanes" causes the bug. "1234 567 890 12345" does not cause the bug. I'm sure programmers can explain why this happens. But they can't explain how this can answer direct questions and give a resonable answer paranormally.


How anyone could get the idea there'd be a conspiracy involved is beyond me, and I don't understand why anyone would fall for this redicuklous explanation.

I have never said there was a conspiracy involved.

As far as I can tell, nobody has fallen for it.

But that's not gonna stop me from revealing it.
 
Credulity. Anyone who has worked with computer programs for any amount of time would no way think this was anything significant. It is absolutely mundane. Bring this up at a programmers conference or a hackers club or gamers meeting and you will be promptly kicked out.

There is nothing there. Even before finding the answer one thing was abundantly clear. The program was operating according to code. It might not have been intended but it was based on code. Nothing more nothing less.

Sinsanity,

1.) What questions?

2.) What answers?

You said you read the story, right?

Go back and read the part that is in brown. Those are the questions that were answered paranormally.
 

Then what is your point for any of this?

but I don't know if it's true that it was there before 911. The date on the notepad.exe is after 911. I know that German XP users can't replicate it. So I can't answer that point.

What "it"?

The bug? Probably not. The bug isn't intelligent, or sentient or anything, though. It just makes notepad read and display ASCII as UNICODE. I know what that means and entails. Do you?

And: Even if - so what?

That's the basis of this whole thing.

Yes, and that means that there *cannot* be any answering of questions going on. The "questions" define what the "answers" will be, regardless of any interpretation, or facts.

That if you save a notepad text file, using letters and some symbols, without using some symbols, numbers or returns; in the form four letters, space, three letters, space, three letters, space, five letters; you will cause the bug to happen sometimes.

I understood this the first time around.

I also understand what exactly it is the bug does. Do you?

Even the bug is buggy. "bush hid the facts" causes the bug. "bush hid the truth" does not cause the bug. "when all oil wanes" causes the bug. "1234 567 890 12345" does not cause the bug.

Yes. Because Windows uses a faulty algorithm to decide if the file it is reading is in ASCII or UNICODE. Whatever the precise nature of the bug, only certain letters in certain position are going to trigger it. I am sure there's people that could tell you exactly when that would be the case.

I'm sure programmers can explain why this happens.

And they have. and it has been explained to you. Did you understand any of it?

But they can't explain how this can answer direct questions and give a resonable answer paranormally.

I'll ask you myself then:

What questions?
What answers?

Please, just quote the questions and the according answers right here. Before you do that, there really isn't any point in arguing this any further.

I have no inclination - and I haven't got the time or energy, either - to dig myself through the character encoding and decoding that has to go on here, I will not write a single sentence about translating between languages and I will most certainly not research Chinese grammar.

Anybody who claims that the internet is giving reasonable answers to straight forward questions anywhere else but here had better do all of the above and explain it here briefly. Anybody who claims that there is anything paranormal going on - in the face of numerous explanations as to why this is not and cannot be the case - had better understood all these issues in sufficient depths to be able to answer any amount of questions that might come up after his initial explanation.

That means, you have a lot of work to do!

I have never said there was a conspiracy involved.

As far as I can tell, nobody has fallen for it.

But that's not gonna stop me from revealing it.

You aren't making any sense.
 
Sinsanity,

If you want to apply the scientific method to this issue, try the following: go through the same process with a variety of other phrases, and see if you can convince yourself that your translation websites are still giving "reasonable answers to direct questions". Try 'gore hid the facts', for example, or 'bush ate the cakes' - see if you still get 'reasonable answers'. This will take interpretation, and you will have to be careful to be honest with yourself. Let us know your findings.

In the meantime, you would have more credibility if you stopped misusing various terms:

The 'mystery zeroes' are neither a mystery, nor zeroes - they are square boxes, which Windows uses to display characters which don't exist in the current font. My computer has a font called 'Arial Unicode MS' - change to that font in Notepad, and you'll see the Chinese characters directly.

The 'internet' is not answering your questions. That's like phoning some 0800 number for a weather forecast and then claiming that the phone system predicted the weather. Stating your claim in that way, without further elaboration, makes you seem ignorant, which is why people here are asking you to elaborate.

Note that 'bush hid the facts' is not a question - so, what 'direct question' is it that you believe is being answered? Again, not clarifying this points hurts your credibility.
 
You know, I read the article.
I see your questions, but I don't see anything that could be construed as direct answers, or remotely informative. I see someone grasping at straws having based a whole new philosophy on one flimsy premise.

In fact, the most informative piece of information I found in that article was this:
I went back inside

And reached for the roach
 

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