Bizzare Political Carttons

See above. the cartoon refers to the war in Iraq. Saddam had noting to do with any attacks by Al Quaida but the soldiers are presenting those as a reason to invade Iraq.

Ummm...
Nowhere in the comic in question does it indicate where, exactly, the soldiers are going. There is no claim made that they're going to Iraq (and not, for example, to Afghanistan). Plus, not all the examples of terrorist attacks are even Al Qaeda-affiliated. The Beirut bombings, for example, happened well before Al Qaeda even existed. So there's no claim that this is in reference to Al Qaeda specifically either, and not Islamic terrorism more generally. So the cartoon isn't specific to Al Qaeda, and it makes no mention of Iraq. You're inferring more than is actually on the page.
 
So was Saddam a 'terrist?
Don't ask us. Ask the people he tortured and killed.

Well, ask the people he tortured, anyway. I'm sure they'd say something like this...

Presenter A small-time operator who fell foul of Dinsdale Piranha was Vince Snetterton-Lewis. Cut to Vince in a chair in a nasty flat.
Vince Well one day I was sitting at home threatening the kids, and I looked out of the hole in the wall and sees this tank drive up and one of Dinsdale's boys gets out and he comes up, all nice and friendly like, and says Dinsdale wants to have a talk with me. So he chains me to the back of the tank and takes me for a scrape round to Dinsdale's. And Dinsdale's there in the conversation pit with Doug and Charles Paisley, the baby crusher, and a couple of film producers and a man they called 'Kierkegaard', who just sat there biting the heads of whippets and Dinsdale sayd 'I hear you've been a naughty boy Clement' and he splits me nostrils open and saws me leg off and pulls me liver out, and I said my name's not Clement and then he loses his temper and nails my head to the floor.
Interviewer (off-screen) He nailed your head to the floor?
Vince At first, yeah Cut to presenter.
Presenter Another man who had his head nailed to the floor was Stig O' Tracey. Cut to another younger more cheerful man on sofa.
Interviewer Stig, I've been told Dinsdale Piranha nailed your head to the floor.
Stig No, no. Never, never. He was a smashing bloke. He used to give his mother flowers and that. He was like a brother to me.
Interviewer But the police have film of Dinsdale actually nailing your head to the floor.
Stig Oh yeah, well - he did that, yeah.
Interviewer Why?
Stig Well he had to, didn't he? I mean, be fair, there was nothing else he could do. I mean, I had transgressed the unwritten law.
Interviewer What had you done?
Stig Er... Well he never told me that. But he gave me his word that it was the case, and that's good enough for me with old Dinsy. I mean, he didn't want to nail my head to the floor. I had to insist. He wanted to let me off. There's nothing Dinsdale wouldn't do for you.
Interviewer And you don't bear him any grudge?
Stig A grudge! Old Dinsy? He was a real darling.
Interviewer I understand he also nailed your wife's head to a coffee table. Isn't that right Mrs O' Tracey? Camera pans to show woman with coffee table nailed to head.
Mrs O'Tracey Oh, no. No. No.
Stig Yeah, well, he did do that. Yeah, yeah. He was a cruel man, but fair Cut back to Vince.
Interviewer Vince, after he nailed your head to the floor, did you ever see him again
Vince Yeah.....after that I used to go round his flat every Sunday lunchtime to apologize and we'd shake hands and then he'd nail my head to the floor
Interviewer Every Sunday?
Vince Yeah but he was very reasonable about it. I mean one Sunday when my parents were coming round for tea, I asked him if he'd mind very much not nailing my head to the floor that week and he agreed and just screwed my pelvis to a cake stand. Cut to man affixed to a coffee table and a standard lamp.
Man He was the only friend I ever had. Cut to block of concrete with a man upside down with his head buried in it.
Block I wouldn't head a word against him. Cut to a gravestone, which says: 'R.I.P. and Good Luck, Dinsdale'.
Voice Lovely fella. Cut to presenter.
Presenter Clearly Dinsdale inspired tremendous loyalty and terror amongst his business associates, but what was he really like? Cut to a bar.
Gloria I walked out with Dinsdale on many occasions and found him a most charming and erudite companion. He was wont to introduce one to eminent persons, celebrated American singers, members of the aristocracy and other gang leaders.
Interviewer (off screen) How had he met them?
Gloria Through his work for charity. He took a warm interest in Boys' Clubs, Sailors' Homes, Choristers' Associations, Scouting Jamborees and of course the Household Cavalry.
 
Don't ask us. Ask the people he tortured and killed.

Well, ask the people he tortured, anyway. I'm sure they'd say something like this...

Torturing and killing people (not personally of course) doesnt make one a terr'ist. Wouldnt this make Bush a terr'ist too?

Not to mention all those US prez'dents who aided, supported and funded Saddam while he was being a dastardly terr'ist.
 
Ummm...
Nowhere in the comic in question does it indicate where, exactly, the soldiers are going. There is no claim made that they're going to Iraq (and not, for example, to Afghanistan). Plus, not all the examples of terrorist attacks are even Al Qaeda-affiliated. The Beirut bombings, for example, happened well before Al Qaeda even existed. So there's no claim that this is in reference to Al Qaeda specifically either, and not Islamic terrorism more generally. So the cartoon isn't specific to Al Qaeda, and it makes no mention of Iraq. You're inferring more than is actually on the page.

Yes and its reasonably inferred. Lets see... bunch of GIs marching off to war just before the invasion of Iraq..... probably headed off to watch the Korean border eh?
 
Torturing and killing people (not personally of course) doesnt make one a terr'ist. Wouldnt this make Bush a terr'ist too?
If Bush ordered torture, yes. Supply the evidence. No, please give me your definition of a terrorist, since you obviously believe Saddam wasn't one (and please also read my sig lines).

Not to mention all those US prez'dents who aided, supported and funded Saddam while he was being a dastardly terr'ist.
We've had this discussion before, sorry you missed it. Sometimes you have to make a deal with one devil if he's helping you fight an even worse devil. That's why we - and when I say "we", I mean you in London and us - were allied with Stalin during WW II. You understand that, right? Or do you believe that making a temporary alliance of necessity with a terrorist turns you into one also? How dep does the "moral equivalency" slime you wallow in go?
 
Some proof of this allegation would be nice.

Here's some help.

"Other officials familiar with the captured documents were less cautious. "As much as we overestimated WMD, it appears we underestimated [Saddam Hussein's] support for transregional terrorists," says one intelligence official.

Speaking of Ansar al Islam, the al Qaeda-linked terrorist group that operated in northern Iraq, the former high-ranking military intelligence officer says: "There is no question about the fact that AI had reach into Baghdad. There was an intelligence connection between that group and the regime, a financial connection between that group and the regime, and there was an equipment connection. It may have been the case that the IIS [Iraqi Intelligence Service] support for AI was meant to operate against the [anti-Saddam] Kurds. But there is no question IIS was supporting AI."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/550kmbzd.asp?pg=1
 
If Bush ordered torture, yes. Supply the evidence. No, please give me your definition of a terrorist, since you obviously believe Saddam wasn't one (and please also read my sig lines).

Well, he certainly lied by saying that America does not use torture on the same day that the CIA released a document describing their torture techniques.
 

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