Challenge no longer on hold

Timothy

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Now that the Challenge is no longer on hiatus per Jeff Wagg's message, can the Challenge administrator answer two questions?

1) Will new applications be posted in the forum as before?
2) If so, and if any new applications came in during the hiatus, when may we expect to see them posted?

- Timothy
 
Timothy said:
Now that the Challenge is no longer on hiatus per Jeff Wagg's message, can the Challenge administrator answer two questions?

1) Will new applications be posted in the forum as before?
2) If so, and if any new applications came in during the hiatus, when may we expect to see them posted?

- Timothy
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1) Possibly. I'm heading down to the JREF next week to determine that. There are concerns that many of the people who apply for the challenge are mentally ill, and that posting their applications here is an act of cruelty. I'll let you know.

2) Many new applications were received, few, if any, were complete. If we decide to post them, I hope to start doing so next week.
 
Surely the details of the claimed feat could be posted, but without the applicant's name?

In know that the challenge log is a relatively new addition to the forum, but it has become one of the most interesting parts of the site. Being party to the to-and-fro of protocol negotiations gives one a great insight into what sort of claims are made and how one might go about determining what is true.
I feel that we would be missing out on some educational benefits if this information was no longer divulged.

And what about people like Mr Yahweh? Surely having their name on the site is in the public interests?
 
Also, by submitting an application, the applicant, mentally ill or not, acknowledges that none of the application will be confidential per the
challenge FAQ:

4.6. How much of my application is confidential?

Assume none of it is. If this bothers you, it is better that you do not apply
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I agree with omitting names, though. I'm not really interested in the name of the applicant unless he or she actually makes it to the preliminary test.
 
If they're mentally ill, though, they may not have understand that part. I would agree that it would be cruel to post messages from clearly mentally ill people.
I do agree that in the case of famous people, it should be done, and also I don't see anything wrong with posting a feat and not a name.
 
I need them posted to the forum. I've been going through some serious withdrawl since the challenge has been on hold. :boggled:

I'm all for posting them without names.
 
If the applications and emails are not posted then the woo can claim anything. Randi backed out, cheated, changed the rules, lied, demanded my first born.
 
Anti_Hypeman said:
If the applications and emails are not posted then the woo can claim anything. Randi backed out, cheated, changed the rules, lied, demanded my first born.
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If the applications and emails are posted, the woo can still claim anything. Randi either edited the applications/emails prior to posting them on the web, or he sent other messages that did not appear on the official transcript.
 
RPG Advocate said:
Also, by submitting an application, the applicant, mentally ill or not, acknowledges that none of the application will be confidential per the
challenge FAQ:
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From a legal standpoint, someone mentally ill may not have the necessary understanding/competence to make that acknowledgement.

From a moral standpoint, even if someone agrees to let you do something cruel to them, it's still cruel. This is part of why JREF won't accept challenges that involve serious risk of harm to the applicant -- even when/if the applicant is willing to sign the appropriate waiver.
 
I also support the notion to "put it all in the open". It serves as an information source in many varieties. And I do in no way think of it as cheap entertainment.

Also, I suggest to leave the labeling of medical terms to medical personnel.
I'm positive the JREF staff will carefully - and in the end successfully - weigh out between serving a public interest by posting applications in the Challenge Forum and preserving the rights of citizens to privacy and dignity.

On the other hand, as RPG Advocate already posted: 4.6. How much of my application is confidential?

Assume none of it is. If this bothers you, it is better that you do not apply.
http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html#4.6
 
drkitten said:
If the applications and emails are posted, the woo can still claim anything. Randi either edited the applications/emails prior to posting them on the web, or he sent other messages that did not appear on the official transcript.
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I would still like to know the JREF's version of the story.
 
I, too, am for posting application correspondence, albeit without names.

Unless, of course, the applicant lives near me, in which case I think that the name, address, and telephone number should also be made public...
 
I'd throw in my 2cents, but GzuzKryst seems to have thrown them in already.

The conversations are both entertaining and interesting. More importantly, they highlight the pitfalls in the process for anyone thinking of attempting, and demonstrate the effort required by JREF to keep a claimant focused and progressing forward.
 
Doubt said:
Does this mean we have a new challange administrator?
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I think if there were a new Challenge Administrator there would be considerable fanfare about it--considerable in having considered it in the least. :confused:

Anyway, its good to see the Challenge up and running. Somehow it makes me feel good about Randi's health. :dc_biggrin:
 
If applications are no longer on hold then that implies we have Kramer mark 2. It is rather odd that it has not been announced.

As for names, maybe publish them either if they are public figures or when JREF agrees that a preliminary test will happen. Then if there is anyone knows anything about this person then JREF can be informed. Or if after the applicant goes to the media at least the media can find out the person about the test.
 
How about this:

Rather than posting a full name, the JREF initially posts with initials (or any combination of name/initials) until
a. the JREF gets express, written permission from the applicant, or
b. the applicant does something to make them a public figure (e.g. going to the media, already a public figure)
 
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