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Gravy said:
Nah. One line "rebuttals?' Laughable photo "evidence?" More wild speculation? This guy's not bright at all. He's still using Karl Schwarz as an expert! Next.
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Those were almost my thoughts exactly, Gravy. I put that link up there for comedic relief more than anything. If three lines could wipe out entire pages of data and references, Dylan Avery would be president.

Speaking of wich, if anyone perusing the new United 93 movie boards and is wondering if I'm as crazy as the tinfoils, don't worry. The United 93 boards were a complete write off more than a week ago and now I'm just getting my yuks making outrageous comments just to drive the nutters even crazier.

My latest thread on wether Dylan Avery should get the death penalty should be worth at least 4 pages.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Somebody's set a new standard in debunking debunkings. looks like Gravy has another looooong night ahead of him with this one:

http://911physics.atspace.com/Pages/Debunking911Myths.htm

(stinkin 15 post requirement)
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I don't think Gravy needs to worry about this one. The only people it's going to convince are true believers. The "debunking" rarely involves anything even remotely substantial. And the nice thing is, it's basically a mirror site of the entire 911myths.com. This site only gives the CTs false security that 911myths.com has been taken care of.
 
geggy said:
If you were first told that NYC had been attacked with planes and you were the man responsible for giving orders to deploy fighter jets, what would you do? Would you either..

1. Continue with your breakfast.
OR
2. Jump out of your seat and rush to the command center.
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To be honest, I'd get on the phone to the command centre, asking them to keep me updated, then shove food down myself as fast as I could, because in taht sort of situation, you have NO idea when you'll be able to feed again. But, then, I used to be an infantry grunt and I imagine things might be different at the lofty heights of HQ (like having food on call and be able to get a decent night's sleep every day).
 
Pardalis said:
Let's apply Ockham's Razor here...

the official story:
The towers collapsed from the top because of structural failures.

geggy's theory:
The towers looked to have collapsed from the top because of utlra specialised controlled demolition charges specifically placed to make it look like it was stuctural failures.
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This reminds me of something my dad used to say..."Hamlet wasn't written by Shakespeare but by another man of the same name." (Yes, he was being tongue-in-cheek when he said it.)
 
Gravy said:
I really wish there was no video at all. It's just titillation for the slavering CTs. All this time they've refused to face reality because the government is withholding a VIDEO. Why in the world is the existing evidence not enough for them? Because they will cling to ANYTHING in order to extend their stay in fantasyland. The same CTs refuse to accept video evidence of other aspects of 9/11 when it is presented. So if the Pentagon footage doesn't meet their standards, there we go: years more of wild speculation and ignoring all the evidence that has already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are wrong. It's so dishonest, and so disgusting.

Imagine that I'm on trial for murder. Dozens of credible witneses saw me commit the murder in broaad daylitght. The DNA evidence, and all the other physical evidence in the case, says I did it to the exclusion of all others. If I'm a CT, I can simply say, "Aah, but there's no video!" and stroll out of the courtroom, right?

If the video is he government's property, obviously it should be made available: that's our property and I can't imagine there'd be any reason to classify it. But it sickens me that the CTs have made an issue of its "importance."
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Especially since when it *does* come out, they will simply claim it was tampered with and it will become more fuel for the "government cover-up" fire.
 
Pardalis said:
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!

I saw him cry on national TV on september 13th.

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Are those...
1. 'OMG I'M SO RICH' tears?
2. Photo-op 'look at my tears! I really do care!' tears?
3. 'oops i done screw up and 3000 people has died in result of it' tears

I think we all know w. bush had gotten a heart of a gold. He didn't want to get up and leave after hearing about the second attack, not because he needed a fresh pair of underwear, it was because he really does care about the children that in no way anything will come in between himself and the children, not even a terrorist attack, that will interupt the fundamental of children's education...because he really does care and has gotten a heart of a gold. hyuk hyuk.

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LOOK AT MY TEARS...I REALLY DO CARE...

Why does he alway seem so caring in photo op session???
 
So are we supposed to build a viable theory of what conspiracy transpired on 11-September based on the reactions of Rumsfeld and Bush? Or is this supporting evidence of some facet of the overall sinster plan?

Rumsfeld jumps up and rushes off somewhere. Bush sits like a deer in the headlights while the Secret Service secures the building and his transportation to safety. Did he look shellshocked? Sure, I'm just not sure that supports ... well, anything, actually. I don't particularly like either man, but I don't see their responses as lending your paranoid fantasies any weight.

So... new ignore function essentially makes someone vanish into the bitbucket of the internet... come on geggy, give me a reason not to. Post something that stands up to ridicule.
 
geggy said:
Are those...
1. 'OMG I'M SO RICH' tears?
2. Photo-op 'look at my tears! I really do care!' tears?
3. 'oops i done screw up and 3000 people has died in result of it' tears
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Man, you are soooooooooooo predictable. I posted this pic just to pick on you.


This next quote is from "The Last Stand" from the Looser forum:

There is a good percent of the world that is aware about what really happened on 9/11, including the President of Iran. He touches on the subject in this letter but does not go into detail. The general American person is among the most brainwashed population in the world. The conversion of our own population is the hardest battle.
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This sounds alot like treason to me.

I wonder who is doing the brainwash here...
 
Geggy boy, since you're back, can you answer my previous question?

How does a fake-collapse-from-the-top-style-controlled-demolition work exactly?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Somebody's set a new standard in debunking debunkings. looks like Gravy has another looooong night ahead of him with this one:

911physicsDOTatspaceDOTcom/Pages/Debunking911Myths.htm
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Man, you gotta love the "search for truth".

Here's one of my favorites from that site:

"Also consider that the explosives in the Towers sent pieces of the buildings fly upwards, which added to the collapse time of the Towers.

What could possibly be causing large chunks of pulverized concrete to be sent flying upwards into the air? Fire? Arabs With Box Cutters?"


Proof that debris was flying upward? Provided by a still picture. A STILL PICTURE. With markings showing some sort of measurements from the middle of the building outwards.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Stop it, you're killing me!
 
More humor from Debunking911Myths:

Mike doesn't seem to grasp the importance of the flow of the dust clouds. If anything the way the dust clouds formed and moved after the collapse is the greatest evidence of controlled demolition.
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The above picture shows what is called a Pyroclastic Flow (of pulverized concrete.)

Above is a Pyroclastic flow of smoke, that has been produced from a Volcano.

Pyroclastic flows are something that are only known to happen in either Volcanoes or in turbidity currents that occur on the edge of continental shelves.
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So.. is he saying that volcanos are controlled demolitions? Somehow, I think he thought he was leading somewhere with this, and he didn't quite get to that point.
 
juryjone said:
More humor from Debunking911Myths:



So.. is he saying that volcanos are controlled demolitions? Somehow, I think he thought he was leading somewhere with this, and he didn't quite get to that point.
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I think he's saying that the most qualified person to investigate the tower collapses would be a geologist. :confused:

Edit: No, now that I re-read it, I think he's saying that the government rigged the towers with volcanoes.
 
Let's face it. The intelligence and wisdom of the CTers at Loose Change was obtained from watching TV and movies. No one there, or any of the CT contributors, for that matter, has the education or practical experience to speak intelligently about any of the important aspects of the event.

Most, if not all of their "theories" are based on watching videos of the event.
 
Just Peachy.

Michael Moore's former assistant, on the Huffington Post, thinks you should go see Loose Change right now. No, really, today! After all, "the film shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that the World Trade Center buildings collapsed because there were explosions all the way down. There is no way that a fire caused the buildings to collapse. You can see in the video, which we have all seen 1 million times, that each floor explodes as the towers collapse to the ground."
 
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