The Gospel

Kathy, Do you believe that you are on a Mission from God on this forum?

What Church are you a part of? and do you report on your progress with the unbelievers?

Just curious.


Well she thinks she's "Joan of Arc" to this forum.

Granted, it's a false analogy and riddled with logical problems in her case, but that won't stop her from reporting to the rest of the bunker that she's doing God's work fighting athiests. Word of advice, kathy, when the church starts stockpiling arms to a degree that you could forcibly invade a small country, it is time to get out and find a new cult.

Of course she also won't recognize that we're not offended by the gospel, we are asking for evidence which she never gives, and that we're not all athiests.

I'm waiting till she praises Pat Robertson again, just so I can trot out the list of quotes he has spewed over the years showing himself to be a spiteful and hateful person...
 
Kathy, I know exactly who you are. Or, at least, I know a good deal about why you think what you think. Let's see how I do.

Power. You don't really have any. Oh, you know what it is, and you see it in others--usually others who have some sort of power over you: family, teachers, employers, significant others....

For most of your life, you've felt pretty powerless. So much so that you've fantasized for hours about what you'd do if you had magic powers, or if you got three wishes, or if you were Samantha, or Sabrina. But magic like that either doesn't exist, or isn't meant for you, because you've never had it, and you've sure needed it.

You've tried drugs, because they can either make you feel nine feet tall and bulletproof, or make you so dreamy you don't give a rat's fat behind about anything. Shoot, for some people, certain drugs can make them just feel "normal." Then you realize you can't even control the power drugs have over you, and you feel like such a loser, because you gave them that power, and you didn't even know you had it to start with.

Of course you tried Wicca and Paganism, crystals and tarot and healing stones, invocations to the Goddess (because men have been such jerks to you, usually, that they're real hard to worship) and essential oils and herbs...
But none of that really gave you any power, either. In fact, it was getting around that you believed all that crap, and people were starting to look at you funny.

You've tried relationships, but somehow the guys you picked always had some flaw. You never could find just the right guy, or even the adequate guy. They all wanted to control you, or ignore you, or just use you for whatever. And if they couldn't get what they wanted, they might hit you. Power again. Always someone else's power.

And then, gloriosky, you found God! Another wish-fullfiller, another promise-maker, but this time, the most powerful one of them all! Shoot, just look at how many people say they believe, too! Surely you can manage to fit in with that crowd--it's huge. Surely you've finally found the one thing that will take control of your life and manage it for you--why, you don't even need that stinking old "power" anymore. You've got the power of numbers. Most people approve of Christians. Most people accept social rejects who "find the Lord and turn their lives around." In fact, you've even met people who not only want to hear your story of redemption, but actually ask you to tell it! This is great! People notice you, and they give you strokes, and they nod and murmur approval when you cite Bible verses or speak of some insight the lord has given you.

You don't even have to fully take responsibility for anything you've done. Sure you committed sins: you belonged to Satan, after all. How could you help but be sinful? But God forgives! It's all okay now! You did do wrong, but you couldn't really help it, and now God is in control. God controls your life, and now you can finally stop looking for power.

Me, though, I'm not all that impressed. As far as I can tell, you're just on the next leg in your search. You're just looking in the next most logical place to find what you don't have.

Logical, that is, if one refuses to look to oneself. See, I figure there are a couple of ways, at least, to seek power. (Heh.)
You can look for power in outside sources, or you can look to yourself.

I wonder if you realize that your conversion to Christianity is equivalent to your involvement in Paganism, drugs, and relationships? You just call it something else now, and follow a slightly different set of rules. And what you believe now is more acceptable; that's important. But it's all still a search for power from a source outside yourself.

To sum this up: you're still just waiting for someone to grant your three wishes, rather than realizing you're the only one who can. And I'm trying to tell you that if that's what you want, by all means, please have it. Please take it into that corner there and have it all you want.

But stop asking me why I don't want it. I know something you don't know, that's why I don't want it. Maybe someday you'll figure out what I know, and you won't want it anymore, either. Or maybe you'll figure out how to keep from shoving it down unwilling throats.

At least, that's my wish.
 
It was nothing short of a miracle that God helped open my eyes to the truth about needing to receive Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour.....

It's only by the power of the Holy Spirit living in me that I can and am being changed. Non-believers have a hard time understanding this concept, but it's true......

Do you hear what I'm trying to say?

The problem isn't that we have a hard time understanding a concept, or that we don't hear what you are trying to say. We understand that you believe that you are "being changed" by the power of the "Holy Spirit".

The problem is that just because you believe something, even deep down where it counts, it doesn't necessarily make it true. Zealots have a hard time understanding this concept.

If you are actually sincere about trying to convince the readers of a skeptics forum that your religious beliefs are correct, here are some suggestions-

Provide evidence for your claims instead of evidence of how strongly you believe in them. We already have sufficient evidence to conclude that you are convinced. Simply asserting your beliefs ad nauseum does not strengthen your position.

Liberal use of exclamation points doesn't do much for your position either. At best, it is a bit irritating. At worst, it sort of gives off subtle cues that you are a bit unstable.

Answer questions honestly. Do not evade questions that may undermine your position. You might learn something.
 
You know something? I'm getting tired of this.

We challenge. Kathy evades. She hasn't the good grace to say, "I don't know." She doesn't think, she recites. She has her prejudices against us all lined up in neat little rows, and she's not prepared to really confront them. She's a bigot.

I think Fowlsound had the right idea. I'm out of here for a while. There's better ways to spend my time.

(BTW: FS: Check your inbox, Dude. You okay?)
 
I thought it was pretty clear.
I like the king James version, you look it up i gave you the verses.
Hi Edge, this scripture which I found in 1 John 2:15-17 is what I focus on much. This world is truely passing away quickly, but God's word will never pass away!
Do Not Love the World
Do not love the world nor the things in the world If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.
 
OK, I hate the world. The world sucks. Let's just blow it up or something. Yeah, that's a healthy message.
 
Unfortunately, John was wrong. The world did not pass away, and it's now been 1900 years. He gave his followers bad advice. I hope none of them suffered because of bad decisions they made because they though the world would end in a year or two.
 
Kittens are of the world. We are not supposed to love anything of the world. Let's kill some kittens.
 
Kathy,
Do Not Love the World
Do not love the world nor the things in the world If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever.

"Do Not Love the World" - seems to me that almost all Christians, especially the ones here in the United States, love the world a great deal. They do love those fancy, expensive things. I've known a few preachers personally and I can tell you, they love their Lexus SUV's.

Lust of the Flesh, Lust of the Eyes, Boastful Pride. Have you been to Church lately? they really like to dress up for God don't they? I think there is a little bit of lust there somewhere; and Preachers always have such lovely wives, don't they. Of course there's no pride in those fundy Churches, they believe they are the only ones going to heaven, everybody else goes to Hell. That's just truth isn't it? Nope, no pride there.

The world's Lusts are passing away? Privately, I have never known any Christian, male or female that didn't lust after others. It's actually very easy to lust after all those beautifully dressed and well made-up Christian ladies on Sundays, just ask the Christian Men - especially the Preacher.
 
Kittens are of the world. We are not supposed to love anything of the world. Let's kill some kittens.

In honour of your avatar, let's start with this one:

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Where's your messiah now, Spidey? ;)
 
Kathy, I know exactly who you are. Or, at least, I know a good deal about why you think what you think. Let's see how I do.
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Excellent post Slingblade! And oh so correct. I predict that in a few years, when Jesus doesn't satisfy anymore that Kathy will be a Scientologist.
 
Slingblade,

I just nominated your post analysing KKs behaviour - It's excellent, and even better than the previous nomination.

I just wish I'd written it!

And Supercorgi's probably right, too!

YBW

ETA - Have fun fighting yourself in the Award!
 
Darwin

This reminds me of one of my least-favorite bumper stickers, the one that says "God said it. I believe it. That settles it." It seems just like code for "I turned my brain off and stopped thinking and now just believe whatever I'm told without question."

(My other least-favorite bumper sticker is the one that says "Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven." That one seems like code for "We can do anything we want, and as long as we believe in Jesus, we get to go to heaven, not like you other evil-doers.")


I think my least favorite one is the "dead" Darwin fish. The one that says something like Jesus Lives/Darwin Is Dead. Uh.... did Darwin say anything about being personally immortal? Darwin being dead proves "God" is triumphant and Darwin in "wrong."?? Talk about non sequiturs.

Personally, after 14 years of parochial school (Kindergarten through high school), I am firmly agnostic tending more to be athestic. My parents (Mom nominally Episcopal with a fondness for the idea of reincarnation; Dad lapsed Catholic), sent me there because the education was considered to be better. I had to practice catechism Q/A and my mother helped me. Of course, as some point I asked how "true" these Q/A were, and my mother told me that I would have to make up my own mind on that question - quite literally, NOT to accept everything as 'gospel.' Like Slingblade, I started asking questions, questions which the nuns did not/would not answer. However, I didn't rock the boat: I just parroted the answers they wanted and thought for myself.

On the other hand, I had a high school apologetics teacher (the watchmaker and all that nonsense), tell me that "faith" was an act of will. That one should not feel bereft if one did not have a emotional "feeling" about "loving" god, and that those who EMOTIONALLY believed in God were not necessarily imbued with faith, per se. I guess I'm just not "willing."

By the way, if sex outside of marriage is a "sin," then I guess I would have to go to my grave untouched (most definitely not the case), since while I've received a number of proposals of marriage, I accepted none of them, and now I'm in a pretty low percentile of probability for marriage. (I believe Lillian Gish at 90+ years old was in the .001%. I'm not that far gone, but marriage at my age is unlikely and I happily go on my single and 'sinful' way.)
 

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