The Gospel

CapelDodger said:
It was about settling a bet. Pure and simple. Satan bet God 30 pieces of silver that Job would give him up if the screws were turned hard enough. God won, as I recall.
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I don't get the ending.
Sure, Job gets all his "property" back and a new wife and kids.
But doesn't he miss the old life? Nothing was wrong with it; it makes it seem like if God gives you "stuff", then all is okay. Sometimes just being average with your loved ones is more than fine.
God won the bet, sure, but what did Job get?
 
What did Job get? Ya know this is the problem I see with some peoples faith. It's not suppose to be about what we get from God, but what we choose to give Him. Our lives!
The greatest commandment is to love the LORD your God with all your mind, body, and soul.

Reflecting on Biblegateways verse of the day speaks to me of how deserving our God is of our love!

Phillippians 2:3-5
Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

He is the ultimate humanitarian!
 
psy kick said:
I don't get the ending.
Sure, Job gets all his "property" back and a new wife and kids.
But doesn't he miss the old life? Nothing was wrong with it; it makes it seem like if God gives you "stuff", then all is okay. Sometimes just being average with your loved ones is more than fine.
God won the bet, sure, but what did Job get?
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Actually your mistake is that you are trying to read it as a literal story about some poor schmuck named Job when actually it is a symbolic discussion about how the world works.
 
kurious_kathy said:
What did Job get? Ya know this is the problem I see with some peoples faith. It's not suppose to be about what we get from God, but what we choose to give Him. Our lives!
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Or our loved ones' lives. Oh, wait, He takes those without our consent. Yay!

The greatest commandment is to love the LORD your God with all your mind, body, and soul.

Reflecting on Biblegateways verse of the day speaks to me of how deserving our God is of our love!

Phillippians 2:3-5
Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

He is the ultimate humanitarian!
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So, since Jesus was God, that means he also killed Job's family and servants. On a bet. Does that sound like a humanitarian thing to you? Do you even care about the atrocities recorded in the Bible, perpetrated by God (and therefore, Jesus)? How can you possibly love any being that did something like that?
 
kurious_kathy said:
Sounds to me like you have become hostile towards God. Why? He cares about the condition of our hearts more than anything. If you can't see that I don't know what to say to you.
I spent way too many years myself blaming God for everything that went wrong in my life. What I know now is it was my sin and rebellion that caused my greif. I finally broke and new I needed to believe and trust in Him. I pray wolfgirl that God will turn you around like He did me!
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More prattle, eh, Kathy?

See, this is the problem. You continue to preach. You haven't really read a damned thing that Wolfgirl has said, and you continue to repeat the same words over and over and over again. If I just keep saying the same things, they'll come to believe!

Sorry, Kathy. That's not how it works. Joseph Goebbels tried that, and ultimately, he failed.

This is a board which works on the basis of FACT. I can take two grapes, add two more grapes, and know that I have four grapes. That's fact. How I feel about the grapes, who created the grapes, anything at all like that is fairly subjective.

All anyone has asked of you from day one has been to show us your proof. What physical evidence can you present that proves that God did what you claim he did for you. Because, quite frankly, any and all evidence you have presented has shown that if anything, God has ignored you, and ultimately treated you in a pretty shabby manner. Looking at that, why would any of us be expected to listen to your declarations of God's greatness when he allowed you to be physically assaulted, when he placed you in a position to be killed. Add to this the idea that your "merciful" God, (yours, not mine), seems to routinely squirt raw sewage on people who really can least afford it. I'm willing to bet that someone like KellyJ would love to have her son walk through the front door of her home, saying, "Hi, Mom!"

I'm willing to bet that Fowlsound would love to have the doctors tell him, "You're cured."

I'm willing to bet someone like Hal would love to have his wife beside him, in his arms instead of in a grave.

I'm willing to bet that someone like an individual on this board I know would appreciate having those who vicimized them had either been caught in the injustice they committed, and wound up serving time for it, or had at least come to realize they evil they did, and were now making up for it as best they can.

Oh, yeah. Sure. God is right there, subjecting us to horrid abuses, declaring, "I love you! SUBMIT!" slamming us into the dirt time and time again because "It's good for us."

There are those of us, Kathy, who no longer buy the lie. Repeating it does not change the fact: God was not there for us.
 
Kathy, I have to give you credit for the way the words you've posted here have moved me. Previously, I was an atheist who figured I pretty well didn't care what other people believed or worshipped. After seeing what religion has done to you, and how you try to use it to twist facts and shield yourself from reality, I've become convinced that religion is a real danger to the world. I'll be going to a local government meeting this week to voice my complaints about using government facilities for religious purposes. It's a small step, but I have you to thank for making me realize that I can't just sit around and let people who believe in sky fairies run the country.
 
Freethinker said:
Kathy, I have to give you credit for the way the words you've posted here have moved me. Previously, I was an atheist who figured I pretty well didn't care what other people believed or worshipped. After seeing what religion has done to you, and how you try to use it to twist facts and shield yourself from reality, I've become convinced that religion is a real danger to the world. I'll be going to a local government meeting this week to voice my complaints about using government facilities for religious purposes. It's a small step, but I have you to thank for making me realize that I can't just sit around and let people who believe in sky fairies run the country.
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And Piggy did a hell of a job pointing out why you ought to.
 
John 1:15:27


15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
 
I thought it was pretty clear.
I like the king James version, you look it up i gave you the verses.
 
Go in and read it.
Start at the begining.
You only believe in the world, obveously?
It's not what I'm trying to say, It is the word of god speaking through John.
 
edge said:
Go in and read it.
Start at the begining.
You only believe in the world, obveously?
It's not what I'm trying to say, It is the word of god speaking through John.
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Oh, okay. Now I get it. You've decided to take a few slaps at those who ask for evidence. Got it.

Well, I hate to remind you of this, but I HAVE read it. Cover to cover. Numerous times.

I'm asking for evidence these days. I need to know why I should continue to believe. I'm asking for the evidence of the hope you claim to have. Should you truly have that hope, you'll be able to answer with evidence, rather than follow Kathy's example and merely throwing words out like feces, hoping some will stick to the wall.

I have a buddy, a 30 year Air Force veteran who retired as an E-9, a life-long Christian, and a good friend. Doug is probably one of the most trustworthy people I know. Got a problem? He's there, his hand in yours, and he'll back you to the wall when you're right, or be there with you to get you right. I'm having dinner with him tonight, and I'm grateful for the chance and time to do so.

Doug doesn't preach the Gospel, Edge. He lives it. Sometimes, he's actually put his life on the line to do that, to help others, to protect, to serve. Doug doesn't have to quote the Bible, and use it as a weapon against people he disagrees with. He follows the precepts he reads in that book, and his actions show what kind of a man he is. Even people who disagree with Doug wind up agreeing that he's the kind of person they would rather spend time with. He's compassionate, strong, and honest.

Do me a favor, Edge: when you get to that point, give me a call. We'll go out for coffee of something. Maybe then you can preach the Word to me. Otherwise, you seem to have little to say.
 
There comes a time in every thread that has gone on for long enough for a post so brilliant, so poetic and so outstanding to have it's place.

....and here, my friends, it is;

- milla-gilla-blinky -
 
Pauliesonne said:
There comes a time in every thread that has gone on for long enough for a post so brilliant, so poetic and so outstanding to have it's place.

....and here, my friends, it is;

- milla-gilla-blinky -
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*Sigh*

Paulie, hey, you know I love ya, Dude, but this was not the time or place for that post.
 
Freethinker said:
Kathy, I have to give you credit for the way the words you've posted here have moved me. Previously, I was an atheist who figured I pretty well didn't care what other people believed or worshipped. After seeing what religion has done to you, and how you try to use it to twist facts and shield yourself from reality, I've become convinced that religion is a real danger to the world. I'll be going to a local government meeting this week to voice my complaints about using government facilities for religious purposes. It's a small step, but I have you to thank for making me realize that I can't just sit around and let people who believe in sky fairies run the country.
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The only reason you can make this type of a statement about someone like me is because you have no faith. You see the world through a different set of glasses than believers do. Does this make me wrong, or you? I would reconsider the way you choose to deny God.

Hebrews 11:6 ...And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him

And when it comes to politics, well this is an on going battle isn't it. I am just now beginning to volunteer at a pro life organization to help fight some of the bad laws out there like legalized abortion! It is murder and it's not ok. Just think of all the babies up in heaven that never got a chance at life? I think people like Jay Sekulow are doing a good work for God to help make a difference in fighting some of the bad things in government and of this world. Ever heard of his organization, the ACLJ?
 
Yes.

Home of the Christian-only freedoms.

How do you think you would feel about Jay and his buddies if they were fighting for Islam?
 
bluess said:
Yes.

Home of the Christian-only freedoms.

How do you think you would feel about Jay and his buddies if they were fighting for Islam?
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I would probably tell them that they were on the wrong side of the one true God. There is no such thing as a holy war! But there is definately such a thing as spiritual warfare!
Who you gona believe, Jesus or the other guy? Everything outside of Christ leads to death. Just call me the Joan of Arc on JREF. I would never choose to kill anyone, but I would like to be able to rid the world from Satan and his demons! I guess if I lived in Islam I would be Martyred for my faith!!
 
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