The Gospel

kurious_kathy said:
Everyone needs to come to their own understanding and getting to a point where we choose to believe Him. Understanding God's word could take a long time, but believing it is the beginning. I myself use to perceive it as karma, good or bad.
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Do you even realize that karma is a completely non-Christian concept? It is anathema (ooo big word here -- it's means totally against) your Christian concept that faith determines your future life. With karma, it's your acts that determine your future life. Kathy, with every word you write, you expose your ignorance. Try learning what words really mean before you use them.

Again I refer you to Wikipedia for some information about the subject of karma: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
 
kurious_kathy said:
Everyone needs to come to their own understanding and getting to a point where we choose to believe Him. Understanding God's word could take a long time, but believing it is the beginning. I myself use to perceive it as karma, good or bad. Now I go by what God's word says about it,"Whatever a man reaps he sows." As found in scripture here...Gal 6:7-8
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
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It isn't what you believe in that bothers me.
It's what you believe about what you believe in that scares the crap out of me.

It's your absolute sense of your rightness in believing it, and your absolute conviction that what you believe is not only true, but is a superior form of belief from all others.

It is your total conviction that I need this belief. It's the way you're so certain that this is the answer to the world's problems, that this is truth, that it's real, and that it's best for us all.

At what point do you decide that I need to believe what you believe, and that you'd be doing me a very beneficial service--indeed, saving my eternal soul--by working with others to enact laws that force me to live the way you and your God think I should live?

Some will see what I'm proposing as a slippery slope argument. But when people go to court to decide if a school district should teach Intelligent Design, when they go to court to keep the 10 Commandments installed in public courthouses, when they stage book-burnings at schools and insist in public broadcasts that natural disasters are divine punishments, then I start to get worried, and wonder if my fears are all that fallacious?

You scare me, Kathy, because you keep insisting that you're right, and that we all need what you have, despite all evidence or insistence to the contrary. You keep shoving that Bible at us, and keep demanding that it's not only the truth, it's the only truth.

I, on the other hand, am not insisting you should become an atheist.
I am perfectly happy with your belief in whatever you want to believe, as long as you keep it to yourself. But you won't.

To go all the way back again to the OP, I don't find the gospel offensive.
I find those who keep trying to force it on me offensive.

And that would be you.
 
slingblade said:
It isn't what you believe in that bothers me.
It's what you believe about what you believe in that scares the crap out of me.

It's your absolute sense of your rightness in believing it, and your absolute conviction that what you believe is not only true, but is a superior form of belief from all others.

It is your total conviction that I need this belief. It's the way you're so certain that this is the answer to the world's problems, that this is truth, that it's real, and that it's best for us all.

At what point do you decide that I need to believe what you believe, and that you'd be doing me a very beneficial service--indeed, saving my eternal soul--by working with others to enact laws that force me to live the way you and your God think I should live?

Some will see what I'm proposing as a slippery slope argument. But when people go to court to decide if a school district should teach Intelligent Design, when they go to court to keep the 10 Commandments installed in public courthouses, when they stage book-burnings at schools and insist in public broadcasts that natural disasters are divine punishments, then I start to get worried, and wonder if my fears are all that fallacious?

You scare me, Kathy, because you keep insisting that you're right, and that we all need what you have, despite all evidence or insistence to the contrary. You keep shoving that Bible at us, and keep demanding that it's not only the truth, it's the only truth.

I, on the other hand, am not insisting you should become an atheist.
I am perfectly happy with your belief in whatever you want to believe, as long as you keep it to yourself. But you won't.

To go all the way back again to the OP, I don't find the gospel offensive.
I find those who keep trying to force it on me offensive.

And that would be you.
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Nominated.
 
Kathy, Do you believe that you are on a Mission from God on this forum?

What Church are you a part of? and do you report on your progress with the unbelievers?

Just curious.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Everyone needs to come to their own understanding and getting to a point where we choose to believe Him.
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Or as Stephen Colbert said it from the White House Correspondents Dinner:
"And though I am a committed Christian, I believe that everyone has the right to their own religion, be you Hindu, Jewish or Muslim. I believe there are infinite paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior."
 
supercorgi said:
Do you even realize that karma is a completely non-Christian concept? It is anathema (ooo big word here -- it's means totally against) your Christian concept that faith determines your future life. With karma, it's your acts that determine your future life. Kathy, with every word you write, you expose your ignorance. Try learning what words really mean before you use them.

Again I refer you to Wikipedia for some information about the subject of karma: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
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Yes, Supercorgi, that is part of my pagan past which sometimes I still have nightmares about! Or did you not hear my share on being turned around from New Age spirituality? I asked God to set me free from a lot of spiritual deception, and I know His word is true!
I still believe God meets each and everyone of us right where we are at. He took me off the path that was leading me down the road to destruction. The narrow path is what I want now because God showed me the truth! Who I was is not who I am now in Christ. I have seen my sin on that cross, and asked God to forgive me. What about you, don't you believe in sin?
 
Nope.

Stupidity, greed, lust, general orneriness, yes.

Sin is a construct based in religion.

Oh, again, kathy, when did God find you? Pick one of the stories you've given us thus far in this and other threads:
1. When you were a crack addict.
2. When your car almost crashed.
3. When the guy you were seeing while you and ChristianDude were separated nearly beat you to death.
 
What about you, don't you believe in sin?
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Is sin acting against your god?

If yes, no. If no, then explain what sins are precisely explaining how old sins in the OT are no longer sins (unless you keep Levitical law) if god is not necessary for defining sin.
 
Freethinker said:
The Fourteenth amendment is not "a law". Kathy claims that there "some bad laws" allowing legal abortion. There is not a law that allows abortion, there is simply a court ruling (again not a law) overturning a Texas law that did prohibit abortions. While the broad term "law" covers the constitution, when referring to "some of the bad laws out there", one would generally be referring to acts of congress or a state legislature that has been approved by the president or governor.

I see nothing whatsoever misleading about the statement. Certainly the opposite "abortion is illegal because there is a law against it", while factually untrue is not misleading. You may misunderstand it, but the fact of the matter is the Supreme Court decision didn't say the constitution allowed abortions, rather that it disallowed laws prohibiting them.
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Seb1's and JamesDillon's comments, already given above, seem well-founded. I would also point out that the Supreme Court has expressly stated that "the Constitution protects a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy in its early stages". As for your other statements, I stand by my earlier post, but that is, of course, just one lawyer's opinion.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Yes, Supercorgi, that is part of my pagan past which sometimes I still have nightmares about! Or did you not hear my share on being turned around from New Age spirituality? I asked God to set me free from a lot of spiritual deception, and I know His word is true!
I still believe God meets each and everyone of us right where we are at. He took me off the path that was leading me down the road to destruction. The narrow path is what I want now because God showed me the truth! Who I was is not who I am now in Christ. I have seen my sin on that cross, and asked God to forgive me. What about you, don't you believe in sin?
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I am aware of your pagan past though you have been very vague as to what were your beliefs during that time. What do you think karma is? Did you even read the Wikipedia article on karma? Karma is a central tenent of Hinduism - do you know that? Basically it boils down to "what goes around, comes around." It is the embodiment of personal responsibilty -- you are responsible for your actions and they effect your life and your future lives. Are you personaly responsible for your actions or do you put everything in the lap of god? You have faith and believe in Jesus therefore you can be rotten in your actions and still achieve salvation -- does that make any sense?

And no, I don't believe in sin and certainly not original sin. Sin is a useless concept intended to make people feel guilty and worthless. Sin is a concept used to control. The list of sins accepted by the Christian community is ridiculous - you are a sinner without doing anything (original sin) and just about everything else is a sin. I don't believe that people are worthless -- I think your acts prove what kind of person you are.
 
supercorgi said:
I am aware of your pagan past though you have been very vague as to what were your beliefs during that time. What do you think karma is? Did you even read the Wikipedia article on karma? Karma is a central tenent of Hinduism - do you know that? Basically it boils down to "what goes around, comes around." It is the embodiment of personal responsibilty -- you are responsible for your actions and they effect your life and your future lives. Are you personaly responsible for your actions or do you put everything in the lap of god? You have faith and believe in Jesus therefore you can be rotten in your actions and still achieve salvation -- does that make any sense?

And no, I don't believe in sin and certainly not original sin. Sin is a useless concept intended to make people feel guilty and worthless. Sin is a concept used to control. The list of sins accepted by the Christian community is ridiculous - you are a sinner without doing anything (original sin) and just about everything else is a sin. I don't believe that people are worthless -- I think your acts prove what kind of person you are.
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My pagan past included pretty much everything pertaining to spirituality in the pantheistic poin of view. I use to have no boundaries with spirituality which lead me down the wrong path. It was nothing short of a miracle that God helped open my eyes to the truth about needing to receive Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour. When a person does this they are said to be repentive. Turning away from evil and things that are considered to fill the sinful nature.
The things people do to please themselves are and can be very corrupt,"the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak so to speak." Now I understand better and don't do those things which God tells us in His word we should not do. It's only by the power of the Holy Spirit living in me that I can and am being changed. Non-believers have a hard time understanding this concept, but it's true. Jesus can and does change a person and makes us a new creation. Believing in Christ, and following His teachings are two totally different things. (Christians are not people who are just looking for an excuse as many have projected here.) I now have what I would define as a saving faith which I did not have just 2 short years ago! Knowing Jesus, and knowing of Jesus are two different things. Do you hear what I'm trying to say?
 
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