The Gospel

[wolfgirl]

Sounds to me like you have become hostile towards God. Why? He cares about the condition of our hearts more than anything. If you can't see that I don't know what to say to you.

How can I be hostile to an entity that I don't even believe exists? Good lord, woman, how can any of us get you to understand that minor detail? I don't believe in God, therefore I cannot be hostile towards him.

I spent way too many years myself blaming God for everything that went wrong in my life.

I don't blame anyone for what has gone wrong in my life. The bad things that have happened to me are of my own making, and I learned valuable lessons from them.

What I know now is it was my sin and rebellion that caused my greif. I finally broke and new I needed to believe and trust in Him. I pray wolfgirl that God will turn you around like He did me!

I don't have any grief. Well, not beyond the usual stuff that most people have. But I've said over and over that I live a happy and fulfilled life, so what exactly is your god supposed to do for me? What is he supposed to turn me around from? What part of "I don't need a god to be happy" don't you get?

 

[ChristineR]

Okay Kathy, here's another question for you. If I am to seriously consider that the Bible might be the word of God, I have to seriously consider the Koran (and a bunch of other stuff) as well. How am I supposed to know the New Testament is valid but the Koran is not?

I can come up with numerous criticisms that apply to both books, and I can come up with some that apply just to one, and some that apply just to the other. But assuming that one of them is the revealed word of God, a person trying to be objective I should be able to come up with some sort of defining difference.

Here's some things I might look for:

Battles between Muslims and Christians are often won by the Christian side, against all odds.

Christians are more likely to spontaneously get better from cancer.

Etc.

 

[Genesius]

. . . Just think of all the babies up in heaven that never got a chance at life?

Oh yes, pity the poor babies who have to spend eternity in Paradise, instead of coming down to Earth and having the chance to reject God and spend eternity in Hell!

 

[Freethinker]

The only reason you can make this type of a statement about someone like me is because you have no faith. You see the world through a different set of glasses than believers do. Does this make me wrong, or you? I would reconsider the way you choose to deny God.

It makes you wrong. Even if I believed god existed, I would know that he is an evil, sadistic, jealous, baby-killing bastard (all can be supported with bible quotes, so don't bother quoting it at me), so why should I care whether I deny him? Satan never smited people or killed their families on bet.

Hebrews 11:6 ...And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him

You mean like Job? By the way, as you've been told over an over and over and.....quoting the bible doesn't prove anything. Using it to prove god's existence is circular. I can't imagine a document that is more inconsistent, incoherent, contradictory and just flat out wrong than the bible.

And when it comes to politics, well this is an on going battle isn't it. I am just now beginning to volunteer at a pro life organization to help fight some of the bad laws out there like legalized abortion! It is murder and it's not ok. Just think of all the babies up in heaven that never got a chance at life? I think people like Jay Sekulow are doing a good work for God to help make a difference in fighting some of the bad things in government and of this world. Ever heard of his organization, the ACLJ?

Can you name for me the law that makes abortion legal? Since you probably won't answer, I'll explain it to you: Abortion is legal because there is no law against it. State laws on the books in 1973 were struck down by the supreme court decision. How can you hope to accomplish anything when you don't even grasp the concept of what a law is?

Babys don't go to heaven because the never accept JC as their savior even the ones who god chose to abort by his holy miscarriages.

Yes, I've heard of the ACLJ. As I've said before, if I believed in an afterlife, I would live my life to avoid going where Pat Robertson is going.

 

[Genesius]

I would probably tell them that they were on the wrong side of the one true God.

It would be nice if you could prove this. . .

Who you gona believe, Jesus or the other guy? Everything outside of Christ leads to death.

Personally I think they're both full of bovine excrement.

Just call me the Joan of Arc on JREF.

You've mentioned having children, so I think you fail big time on one of the criteria to be the "Maid of Orleans"

I would never choose to kill anyone, but I would like to be able to rid the world from Satan and his demons!

Simply stop believing in your make-believe god. Those nasty old demons will never bother you again.

 

[Freethinker]

I guess if I lived in Islam I would be Martyred for my faith!!

You don't believe god would protect you?

 

[kmortis]

Thanks for that. An ornate version of "shooby-do-wop". Where do you get these lyrics?

I just did a Google search for "Blinded by the light" lyrics. I knew the artist and songwriter as I'm a Manfred Mann (with and without the Earth band) fan.

 

[Pauliesonne]

There once was a woman called Kathy
who was as mad as she was batty
when you asked her a question
she looked to the heavens
where got splat in the face with bird feces

 

[ceo_esq]

Can you name for me the law that makes abortion legal? Since you probably won't answer, I'll explain it to you: Abortion is legal because there is no law against it. State laws on the books in 1973 were struck down by the supreme court decision. How can you hope to accomplish anything when you don't even grasp the concept of what a law is?

Abortion is legal (even in those states that would otherwise choose to forbid it) because the substantive Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment (and by extension, the Fifth), which is the law of the land, has been interpreted to protect it. The Fourteenth Amendment is a law that prevents states from using other laws to ban abortion, and that law is essentially what keeps abortion legal nationwide. I find the assertion that "abortion is legal because there is no law against it" to be entirely misleading. But that's just me.

 

[slickcat]

Everything outside of Christ leads to death.

Everyone dies, even xians. You have provided no proof of an afterlife outside of your liberal use of passages from the bible.

Just call me the Joan of Arc on JREF.

Check your facts. Joan of Arc and her minions killed. Alot. In the name of god.

 

[supercorgi]

Just call me the Joan of Arc on JREF. I would never choose to kill anyone, but I would like to be able to rid the world from Satan and his demons!

Oh Christ on a popsicle stick! Do you even know who Joan of Arc was and what she fought for? She didn't fight Satan and his demons. She fought for a purely secular cause inspired by French nationalism and hatred of the English. She claimed god sent her visions and told her to fight for France. Why would god do this? Both the French and the English at that time period were Catholic. The war was not a religiously inspired war but rather one of control and territory. Why would god take sides in that war.

Kathy, instead of showing your extreme ignorance, why not read up on Joan of Arc. You can start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc

 

[supercorgi]

Sounds to me like you have become hostile towards God. Why? He cares about the condition of our hearts more than anything. If you can't see that I don't know what to say to you.
I spent way too many years myself blaming God for everything that went wrong in my life. What I know now is it was my sin and rebellion that caused my greif. I finally broke and new I needed to believe and trust in Him. I pray wolfgirl that God will turn you around like He did me!

You just refuse to get it. How could she be hostile to someone she doesn't believe exists? She's not hostile. What she is a critical thinker and from examining the Bible sees the tremendous inconsistencies of that document. She can also see the behavior of god as described in the Bible is vicious, cruel, and childish. You don't worship a god of love Kathy -- you worship a god of control and punishment.

 

[Freethinker]

Abortion is legal (even in those states that would otherwise choose to forbid it) because the substantive Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment (and by extension, the Fifth), which is the law of the land, has been interpreted to protect it. The Fourteenth Amendment is a law that prevents states from using other laws to ban abortion, and that law is essentially what keeps abortion legal nationwide. I find the assertion that "abortion is legal because there is no law against it" to be entirely misleading. But that's just me.

The Fourteenth amendment is not "a law". Kathy claims that there "some bad laws" allowing legal abortion. There is not a law that allows abortion, there is simply a court ruling (again not a law) overturning a Texas law that did prohibit abortions. While the broad term "law" covers the constitution, when referring to "some of the bad laws out there", one would generally be referring to acts of congress or a state legislature that has been approved by the president or governor.

I see nothing whatsoever misleading about the statement. Certainly the opposite "abortion is illegal because there is a law against it", while factually untrue is not misleading. You may misunderstand it, but the fact of the matter is the Supreme Court decision didn't say the constitution allowed abortions, rather that it disallowed laws prohibiting them.

 

[kurious_kathy]

You don't believe god would protect you?

No, I know all of us will certainly die one day. If God didn't intervene in the prevention of the apostles being martyred why would he intervene for anyone?
One thing is obvious to me, wages of sin is death. This is a good example of God being ultimately in control. We all have sinned and therefore we will die a physical death.
The important thing I keep talking about is avoiding the second death. This will be worse the the physical death for all who deny Christ. Unless you let yourself believe you will never have your spiritual eyes opened!

 

[ChristineR]

How does one "let oneself believe?" I can pretend I believe something, but like everybody else I base my beliefs on my experiences and my interpretation of them. Intellectually I can follow your interpretation of experiences, but I do not believe your interpretations are correct.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Everyone needs to come to their own understanding and getting to a point where we choose to believe Him. Understanding God's word could take a long time, but believing it is the beginning. I myself use to perceive it as karma, good or bad. Now I go by what God's word says about it,"Whatever a man reaps he sows." As found in scripture here...Gal 6:7-8
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

 

[Seb1]

the fact of the matter is the Supreme Court decision didn't say the constitution allowed abortions, rather that it disallowed laws prohibiting them.

I'm not american and not an expert in american law, but for me I don't see the great distinction between the constitution disallows laws prohibiting abortions and that the constitution allows them. For me, disallowing laws prohibiting something, means that the state allows them, because that is the precise consequence of the states actions, active by allowing something, or passively by disallowing laws to forbid them. The consequence is the same, therefore the state must be responsible for the consequences of it's actions.

 

[delphi_ote]

Understanding God's word could take a long time, but believing it is the beginning.

You don't have to understand it! Don't think! Just believe and accept!

P.S. We are not a cult.

 

[JamesDillon]

The Fourteenth amendment is not "a law". Kathy claims that there "some bad laws" allowing legal abortion. There is not a law that allows abortion, there is simply a court ruling (again not a law) overturning a Texas law that did prohibit abortions. While the broad term "law" covers the constitution, when referring to "some of the bad laws out there", one would generally be referring to acts of congress or a state legislature that has been approved by the president or governor.

Of course the Fourteenth Amendment is a law. For that matter, court rulings are laws, too.

I see nothing whatsoever misleading about the statement. Certainly the opposite "abortion is illegal because there is a law against it", while factually untrue is not misleading. You may misunderstand it, but the fact of the matter is the Supreme Court decision didn't say the constitution allowed abortions, rather that it disallowed laws prohibiting them.

The court held that the liberty interests protected by the Fourteenth Amendment include the right of a woman to make a decision to terminate her pregnancy free from interference by the state. The distinction between the statements "the Constitution protects the right to legal abortion early in the pregnancy" and "the Constitution disallows laws prohibiting abortion early in the pregnancy" looks like semantic hair-splitting, and is in any case inaccurate, since Roe v. Wade and subsequent cases have recognized a woman's affirmative right to choose abortion.

 

[UrsulaV]

Just call me the Joan of Arc on JREF.

If you're Joan of Arc, Kathy, you're damn lucky much of the JREF ISN'T Christian. It was other Christians that burned Joan of Arc for heresy, as you'd know if you actually knew anything about Joan of Arc.* (Frankly, at this point, I'd be surprised if you knew what "heresy" was, but trying to get an answer out of you is like pulling teeth.)

Which reminds me--it occurs to me that you--to no one's great surprise, I imagine--never answered my question about whether you'd ever actually MET a Muslim. So I'll ask again--you ever met one? Worked with one? Known one as a human being instead of a carictature?




*Albeit with political motivations, but as was pointed out above, Joan of Arc was politically motivated as well, so we'll call that one a wash.