Illegal Immigrants Plan to Boycott May 1

[Cleon]

La Opìnión is one of the largest Spanish-language newspapers in the United States. It is the second most-widely read newspaper in Los Angeles, next to the LA Times.

Today, their homepage reads as follows:

Nosotros, los que trabajamos en los medios de comunicación hispanos somos inmigrantes. Somos hijos, nietos o biznietos de inmigrantes. Nuestros hermanos y hermanas son inmigrantes. Nuestros lectores y clientes, nuestros vecinos y amigos, y nuestros compañeros de trabajo son inmigrantes.


Para nosotros, una América sin inmigrantes es inimaginable: una página en blanco.

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Hoy, 1 de mayo, y siempre, respaldamos una solución digna a la realidad que viven los inmigrantes indocumentados.

We, the workers in the Hispanic media are immigrants. We are the children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren of immigrants. Our brothers and sisters are immigrants. Our readers and clients, our neighbors and friends, and our co-workers are immigrants.


To us, an America without immigrants is unimaginable: an empty page.

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Today, May 1, and always, we support a dignified solution to the plight of undocumented immigrants.

If you still persist in thinking that today's strike is just by "illegals," or about a "socialist workers' paradise," you're simply not paying attention.

 

[BPSCG]

What they don't pay is income taxes, but this is pretty inconsequential, because for the amount of money they make, they probably wouldn't pay income taxes anyway.

That is absolutely wrong.

According to the IRS tax tables for 2005, the federal income tax on a single person with taxable income of $10,000 is $1,139.00.

How do you make $10,000 in a year? Just earn five bucks an hour - less than minimum wage - working forty hours a week for fifty weeks a year.

Now here in the Democratic People's Republic of Alexandria, Virginia, if you're making only five dollars an hour, it's because you are mentally retarded and working in a sheltered workshop. The Alexandria Gazette Packet, our weekly newspaper, has two pages of ads every week for jobs like Dog Walker, that pay ten dollars an hour. Those dog walker jobs appear every week, which tells me that they're having trouble hiring the people they need to walk dogs even at ten bucks an hour.

Now, call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I would venture that strong English skills are not a prerequisite for that kind of work.

Okay, so you can earn $20k a year in Virginia by walking your neighbors' dogs (or flipping burgers at McDonald's, but you need some English skills there). What does the IRS say your tax bill should be if that's what you make, as a single person? $2,639.00.

 

[Jocko]

If you still persist in thinking that today's strike is just by "illegals," or about a "socialist workers' paradise," you're simply not paying attention.

Oh really? Okay, take the illegals and the socialists out of the picture.

What do you have left?

 

[BPSCG]

Today, May 1, and always, we support a dignified solution to the plight of undocumented immigrants.

If you still persist in thinking that today's strike is just by "illegals," or about a "socialist workers' paradise," you're simply not paying attention.

Undocumented immigrant = Immigrant in the U.S. illegally = Illegal immigrant.

 

[Jocko]

Undocumented immigrant = Immigrant in the U.S. illegally = Illegal immigrant.

Hey now, you have no right to lecture the socialists on the nuance of newspeak. After all, they invented it.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Cleons sort of right here though, the criminal tresspassers and those who profit off of them, have succesfully tied this issue to LEGAL immigration, which is NOT a crime, and which it has nothing to do with

 

[Cleon]

Undocumented immigrant = Immigrant in the U.S. illegally = Illegal immigrant.

I refuse to refer to a human being as being against the law. Deal with it.

 

[Tricky]

That is absolutely wrong.

According to the IRS tax tables for 2005, the federal income tax on a single person with taxable income of $10,000 is $1,139.00.

How do you make $10,000 in a year? Just earn five bucks an hour - less than minimum wage - working forty hours a week for fifty weeks a year.

Okay, I stand corrected. Of course, add a deduction or two and the number drops precipitously.

Now here in the Democratic People's Republic of Alexandria, Virginia, if you're making only five dollars an hour, it's because you are mentally retarded and working in a sheltered workshop. The Alexandria Gazette Packet, our weekly newspaper, has two pages of ads every week for jobs like Dog Walker, that pay ten dollars an hour. Those dog walker jobs appear every week, which tells me that they're having trouble hiring the people they need to walk dogs even at ten bucks an hour.

Now, call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I would venture that strong English skills are not a prerequisite for that kind of work.

Then why aren't the legals lining up for those jobs? I don't see how we can suggest that illegals are taking away our good jobs when you provide examples that there are plenty of "good jobs" available. This sort of shoots the anti-immigration movement in the foot.

And I don't really think you can show that illegals have cushier jobs than legals because they don't pay a couple of thousand a year in income taxes. Why do you think most of them want to be legal?

Okay, so you can earn $20k a year in Virginia by walking your neighbors' dogs (or flipping burgers at McDonald's, but you need some English skills there). What does the IRS say your tax bill should be if that's what you make, as a single person? $2,639.00.

This still does not address the reasons for why companies find it preferable to hire illegals. Of course, you know what those reasons are, and they are all tied to greed. They don't have to pay the SS taxes on illegals. They don't have to provide them medical coverage. They can't be sued by them. They can fire them without a nanosecond's notice. Who is the bad guy here?

 

[Tricky]

Partly, but we cant do anything about it because of the political pressure "sympathy" like yours is causing

Yes thats EXACTLY what we should do! But anytime anyone tries, the "sympathizers" and criminal co-conspirators go up in arms crazy, link it up with legal immigration and get BS threads like this going

And yet here I stand before you. I am a "sympathizer", yet I want to take the steps against illegal immigration that I have described. Perhaps you need some new stuffing on your straw man.

Look at the Minutemen for a great example, they are targeting the businesses and being called nazis and relics for the effort.

My impression of the Minutemen is that they are much more concerned with building fences and stopping illegals from crossing the borders than they are with dealing with the business reasons for illegal immigration. Perhaps you could enlighten me with some examples of where they pressured businesses. In fact, this Minuteman site mentions nothing about it.

 

[pipelineaudio]

My impression of the Minutemen is that they are much more concerned with building fences and stopping illegals from crossing the borders than they are with dealing with the business reasons for illegal immigration. Perhaps you could enlighten me with some examples of where they pressured businesses. In fact, this Minuteman site mentions nothing about it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=minutemen+target+businesses

 

[Manny]

According to the IRS tax tables for 2005, the federal income tax on a single person with taxable income of $10,000 is $1,139.00.

(snip)

Okay, so you can earn $20k a year in Virginia by walking your neighbors' dogs (or flipping burgers at McDonald's, but you need some English skills there). What does the IRS say your tax bill should be if that's what you make, as a single person? $2,639.00.

A person earning 10,000 per year does not generally pay federal income tax. After a standard deduction and personal exemption of $8,200 the tax tables indicate a federal liability of $121, which is swamped by the EITC at that level. A single filer earning $20,000 would pay about $1,400 if only a standard deduction is available. Add a single child or a non-working spouse and that person would also not pay federal income tax.

 

[Tricky]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=minutemen+target+businesses

I stand corrected.

However, what I see from the first few articles is that they mostly target individual stores for intimidation and mostly trying to scare away illegals. It doesn't look like a concerted effort to change or add teeth to the laws that deal with people who hire illegals. They still look more like a bunch of vigilantes than a group trying to make a measured and effective response to the problem.

 

[pipelineaudio]

However, what I see from the first few articles is that they mostly target individual stores for intimidation and mostly trying to scare away illegals. .

Yes, exactly that, they target high profile and flagrantly violating businesses, I personally believe they should spend more time targeting the very richest and most expensive companies, people who could certainly afford to pay more. I am talking HIEGH END restaraunts, hotels, and mass home builders

It doesn't look like a concerted effort to change or add teeth to the laws that deal with people who hire illegals. They still look more like a bunch of vigilantes than a group trying to make a measured and effective response to the problem

I dont understand, they are doing something, MUCH more than you or I, or the people who were hired to enforce the laws in the first place. Vigilantes? Oh boy

 

[Jocko]

A person earning 10,000 per year does not generally pay federal income tax. After a standard deduction and personal exemption of $8,200 the tax tables indicate a federal liability of $121, which is swamped by the EITC at that level. A single filer earning $20,000 would pay about $1,400 if only a standard deduction is available. Add a single child or a non-working spouse and that person would also not pay federal income tax.

He did say "taxable income of 10,000." That presupposes after deductions.

 

[BPSCG]

Then why aren't the legals lining up for those jobs?

Beats my pair of jacks. I'm guessing that most of the people who complain they can't get a job 'cuz the wetbacks are stealing them are people who are looking for an excuse not to work, and if the wetbacks were gone, there'd be some other excuse like the jobs are too far away or they don't pay enough to live on or I don't have the skills or my back hurts or the sun got in my eyes or global warming...

Unemployment in this country is pretty low right now; I can't believe jobs are that hard to find. Yeah, maybe the perfect job you want isn't out there - I'd love to get paid a couple hundred thou a year to be a condom quality tester - but there are jobs (we desperately need dog walkers in Alexandria... ). A year or so ago, Vincente Fox got in all kinds of hot water for saying that Mexicans in the U.S. do jobs that "even the blacks won't do," but then last year, Ray Nagin said almost exactly the same thing when he said one of his big problems was keeping the Mexicans from swarming into New Orleans and taking all the jobs. How come these day labor sites are always populated by hispanics who speak little or no English? You'd think an unemployed American would get out there figuring, "Hey, I speak English - I'll be one of the first ones hired; I might even be able to dicker for extra pay just because I can speak English..." but they don't - then complain the wetbacks are taking "their" jobs.

I don't see how we can suggest that illegals are taking away our good jobs when you provide examples that there are plenty of "good jobs" available.

As you can see, I'm not - quite the opposite.

This sort of shoots the anti-immigration movement in the foot.

My problem isn't with immigration - hell, my parents were immigrants, and I married someone from a foreign country (well, go ahead, tell me Texas isn't a foreign country...). My problem is with illegal immigrants. The more people who want to become Americans, with all that entails, the better, as far as I'm concerned. But I have little patience for the mentality that says, "I'm going to pick and choose how American I'm going to be. I want the benefits of being an American, but don't want to pay the fare."

They don't have to pay the SS taxes on illegals.

Yes they do. Just being able to get away with it doesn't mean they don't have to.

 

[Cleon]

I'm guessing that most of the people who complain they can't get a job 'cuz the wetbacks are stealing them are people who are looking for an excuse not to work, and if the wetbacks were gone, there'd be some other excuse

Your entire stance is now summed up. You're just another run-of-the-mill racist.

 

[Tricky]

He did say "taxable income of 10,000." That presupposes after deductions.

The table said "taxable" but the math BPSCG gave

How do you make $10,000 in a year? Just earn five bucks an hour - less than minimum wage - working forty hours a week for fifty weeks a year.

does not add up to taxable income of $10,000. With a personal deduction, you'd have to make almost twice that much to have a taxable income of $10,000.

 

[Jocko]

Your entire stance is now summed up. You're just another run-of-the-mill racist.

Nonsense. You're latching onto any little trick you can find (like willfully ignoring what is obviously an external POV) to avoid the actual issue, i.e., illegal immigrants being organized by socialist organizations.

 

[Jocko]

The table said "taxable" but the math BPSCG gave does not add up to taxable income of $10,000. With a personal deduction, you'd have to make almost twice that much to have a taxable income of $10,000.

Well, yes, that's what I read it to mean. Upwards of $20k a year isn't hard to make. I assumed he'd mistated the second 10k, on account of that was the only figure that didn't fit an otherwise plausible equation... but I'll let him answer for himself.

 

[BPSCG]

The table said "taxable" but the math BPSCG gave does not add up to taxable income of $10,000. With a personal deduction, you'd have to make almost twice that much to have a taxable income of $10,000.

You're right. Which is one of the reasons I don't do tax preparation for a living...