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geggy said:
Look bucko you really don't want to goad me into sept 11 debate, I will wax your official story believin arse and make you want butt sex...
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Is this a proposal? Your way of saying "Me love you long time" geggy?
 
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Goodbye, geggy

Geggy, I wasn't going to post anymore in this thread, basically because there's no real point -- you stopped making sense long ago, and now you're no more coherent than a barking dog. But I've just been watching "Inside 9/11" on the National Geographic Channel. And in doing so, I was freshly reminded of all the destruction that happened that day -- the unspeakable tragedy, the sadness, the terror, the feats of heroism far beyond anything I could personally perform. And then I thought of you and your fellow CT'ers, smearing your own feces all over the memories of the victims and calling it the "truth."

How you can say and believe the things you do defies my ability to comprehend. I would ask if you have any empathy or sympathy at all for the victims and their families, but of course you don't, do you? To them, they aren't even real -- they're just another imaginary part of the role-playing game you call your life. This isn't about them, it's about you and your miserable attempt to bring some false sense of significance and importance into your murky little world, and those of your fellow nonentities. One or two other posters seem to indicate they think you might be a terrorist, but I actually think your're something even worse. At least terrorists, in their murderous, twisted, perverted way, believe they stand for something. But you don't stand of anything at all; you're just the terrorists' streetwalker.

I'm at a loss of words to express my disgust for what you are doing. My only hope is that this is some sort of phase, and whatever it is you next fasten on as your "cause" isn't so offensively stupid and misguided.
 
geggy said:
Yeah I'm starting now to see why Bush administration is getting away with it...
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You're just fitting everything you hear into your pre-conceived theory.

geggy said:
Once I started to see the light that sept 11 was an inside job, everything became much clearer.
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Doesn't make it true, of course.

Aahahaha of course they would push the loose change article on top of the USA today website. That is wide opened propaganda. Either they're trying to demonize and discredit the sept 11 movement or they're giving out subtle hints that you should check out the film and do your own research.
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So, either way, you win.

-Mountain of forewarnings (fact)
-PNAC think tank created and claimed they needed a "catalyzing event like a new pearl harbor." as a pretext for invading the M.E. to meet with their agenda (fact)
-Rumsfeld changed NORAD policy that in case of an emergency, only Rummy can give orders to deploy fighter jets (fact)
-NSA spying prior to sept 11 (fact)
-even more forewarnings (fact)
-numerous wargame exercises were performed. WTC and pentagon were several practice targets (fact)
-Silverstein signed a $3.2 bil lease to WTC in the summer prior to sept 11 (fact)
-insider tradings prior to sept 11. AA and UA airliners stocks massively sold. (fact)
-New york city alert level heightened few days prior to sept 11 (fact)
-wargame exercises began as scheduled in morning of sept 11 (fact)
-north tower attacked
-bush arrived booker school (fact)
-south tower attacked
-bush told about 2nd attack, continued to read my pet goat (fact)
-pentagon attacked 45 minutes after the 2nd wtc attacked without any fighter jets deployed to protect DC (fact)
-south tower collapsed
-north tower collapsed
-fighter jets deployed to look after flight 93 with still no fighter jets deployed to protect DC (fact)
-Rummy laid out plans to attack Iraq in the same day (fact)
-flight 93 crashed?
-bin Laden named the culprit later in the same day with no evidence shown (fact)
-WTC7 collapsed
-bin Laden denies involvement in front of a video camera (fact)
-Bush claimed the attack came as a surprise (fact)
-bin Laden denies involvement for 2nd time in front of a video camera (fact)
-top government officials all over the world asked US for evidence pointing bin Laden as the culprit (fact)
-FBI were told to put halt on investigation on Oct 10, 2001 (fact)
-bin Laden's most wanted record in fbi.gov website updated in nov 2001, with nothing said about sept 11 (fact)
-US invaded afghanistan (fact)
-In the following dec, videotape of bin Laden discussing his successful terror operation released, but it was clearly not bin Laden, the videotape was the only supposedly evidence (fact)
-no one working for intelligence agency fired, some promoted and received medals (fact)
-several supposedly hijackers reportedly shown up alive and claimed their innocence (fact)
-Bush obstructed independant investigation for next 3 years, angering some families of victims (fact)
-9/11 commission report released in 2004
-After appealling twice, Silverstein finally granted insurance claims. Twin towers attack considered as two seperate incidents, in which he received nearly two times larger than what he originally asked for. (fact)
-Moussaoui, the only sept 11 suspect, trial finally begins 5 years later (fact)
-bin Laden still not captured (fact)
-NIST misses deadline twice as to their conclusion of why WTC7 collapsed (fact)
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Irrelevant as usual. I can name a bunch of facts that happened in Canada, that day. Doesn't mean they had anything to do with a controlled demolition.

geggy said:
You're right about the plane that sliced through the top portion and weakened the area of the impact. But do you think it might be possible that explosives could be preplanted underneath the impact to weaken/cut supports as it explodes to allow the building collapse to it's footprint?
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Do you think it might be possible that Steven Seagal infiltrated the building and cut the support beams with his bare hands ? In the context of his better movies, possible, but not necessary. Occam's Razor and all.

Anyone with a brain knows the Bush administration was complicit in the attacks...
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No true scottsman fallacy.
 
geggy said:
Al Qaeda was not involved with the london bombing: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,1750279,00.html

In every other bombings you've listed had weird anomalies surrounding the attacks and most doubt al qaeda had any involvement.
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Wow! So Al Qaeda is NOT a terrorist organisation as has NEVER bombed anyone. What do they do all day, then ? Raise bunnies ?

As for the wtc...I thought it might be interesting for you to know that the asbestos on first several floors of each world trade were extremely high in volume and posed a serious health threat. The leaseholder of the wtc was forced to either remove the asbestos or condemn the buildings. But he couldn't afford to shut down the wtc and struggled for years to find an interest party to take over the lease. So came along larry silverstein who took over the lease few weeks prior to sept 11. The twin towers became useful for staging the new pearl harbor. The possible deliberation of imploding both of the towers were to maximize shock and profit.
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Speculation. That's not sufficient motive for mass-murder.

Wtc buildings 3, 4, 5 and 6 all were demolished few days later by demolition crew.
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Yes, but they fell in a demolition-style manner, did they not ? CONSPIRACY!!

geggy said:
I'm not sure if I understand the question but I'll try my best to answer it. Explosives may have been preplanted inside wtc7 prior to sept 11. Other buildings that were mauled by the collapsing of wtc 1 and 2 and didn't collapse had to be demolished because of the severe damages made to the buildings that is beyond unrepairable.
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Uh huh.

Usually when people are afraid, they tend to cling on higher authority expecting them to make them feel safe. When the frontal lobes of their brains are shut down that's caused by the feeling of fear and distress, their judgement becomes clouded and they will believe in anything that is said to them, especially by those who they expect to make them feel safe.
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Bla bla bla bla bla. You're out of fuel, Gaggy. Get a life.

The Bush administration were able to take full advantage of it and falsely assured them that they will go to afghanistan to "capture those who did the evil deeds" because he has the public full support.
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Which in no way proves that they had anything to do with it, as mentionned before.

Your logical skills are non-existent.

geggy said:
WTC7, which housed several high ranking government agencies, only suffered 20 foot gaping hole in the south side of the building and had little fire on some floors, collapsed in a control demoliton manner on the same day as sept 11.
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Wow. I mean, those conspirators truly are monstrously stupid. I mean, If I wanted to destroy a building and blame terrorists, I wouldn't do it in a way that seems CONTROLLED.

Idiot.
 
geggy said:
Look bucko you really don't want to goad me into sept 11 debate, I will wax your official story believin arse and make you want butt sex...
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So you are saying that the truth about 9/11 is an insidious conspiracy masterminded by the Straight Mafia? Or was it the other way around? It's so hard to keep these conspiracies separated, you know.
 
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Belz... said:
Wow. I mean, those conspirators truly are monstrously stupid. I mean, If I wanted to destroy a building and blame terrorists, I wouldn't do it in a way that seems CONTROLLED.Idiot.
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Belz has got a point there. Why didn't they jut let the buildings fall sideways and kill even more people? With 30 000 people dead, there wouldn't be anyone against the war on Iraq.
 
geggy said:
It's no surprise that the white house and Israel are painting the president of Iran as an evil dictator and giving the public a distorted view of who he is just because he's threatening to open up the oil bourse and sell them in euro price.
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Yes, Saddam was a mild, kind-hearted dictator who had the best interest of his people, whom he loved passionately, at heart.

geggy said:
Uranium used for nookular weapons would need to be enriched in nookular plant at 90 percent. Iran is currently at 3 percent, meaning they are tenths of hundreds of years away from possessing nookular weapons.
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Based on a very professional calculation of the rate at which they'll be enriching their uranium, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

I doubt the fire was even that hot enough to bring down wtc7.
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I know you do. You just don't have a reason to doubt it.
 
Gravy said:
You mean like a firefall of molten metal?

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehost/879044556cb143017.jpg[/qimg]

Wrong again, my ever-fixéd fool.

How does it feel?​
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Hey thanks for providing even more evidence that there were molten steel in WTC. I've never seen that picture before. I'm having hard times debating with people because most of the people here are full of contradictions. You said there was no molten steel in the past now youre showing me a picture of molten steel. How am I supposed to take you seriously? By the way do you really think that look anything like burning fuel? Sure as hell look a lot like thermite liquid pouring over.

By the way how come you havent provided a link as to how WTC7 fire got started?

Kookbreaker, i'll have to get back to you on that. I only provided that link for you to analyze other major building fires that's occured in the past...
 
Stellafane said:
Geggy, I wasn't going to post anymore in this thread, basically because there's no real point -- you stopped making sense long ago, and now you're no more coherent than a barking dog. But I've just been watching "Inside 9/11" on the National Geographic Channel. And in doing so, I was freshly reminded of all the destruction that happened that day -- the unspeakable tragedy, the sadness, the terror, the feats of heroism far beyond anything I could personally perform. And then I thought of you and your fellow CT'ers, smearing your own feces all over the memories of the victims and calling it the "truth."
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Interestingly you would bring up national geographic. The editor of the magazine who is a female, she herself is an asset to the CIA. Can't remember what exactly her name was. I'm only trying to firgure out who were the real culprit so that way justice can be brought to the victims, how is that disrepectful to the fallen?

Also its interesting you'd post the name of the documentary, "Inside 9/11". Even more subliminal messages.

Time magazine: An inside job?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175953,00.html

The history of CIA, a good way to learn about them is to go backwards into their history is to start from the beginning...A good place to start...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,688310,00.html
 
Stellafane said:
Geggy, I wasn't going to post anymore in this thread, basically because there's no real point -- you stopped making sense long ago, and now you're no more coherent than a barking dog. But I've just been watching "Inside 9/11" on the National Geographic Channel. And in doing so, I was freshly reminded of all the destruction that happened that day -- the unspeakable tragedy, the sadness, the terror, the feats of heroism far beyond anything I could personally perform. And then I thought of you and your fellow CT'ers, smearing your own feces all over the memories of the victims and calling it the "truth."
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I watched some of that. How very sad.

What was also sad was how, after watching the video they showed, blatently wrong some of the CTers claims end up being.

For starters, let's go to that "it looked like a controlled demolition." I watched the video of the second tower falling, and you know, that didn't look like the controlled demolitions I've seen. Controlled demolitions tend to have massive explosions along the entire height of the structure. The bottom is blowing out at the same time the top is blowing up. Yet, when the second tower fell, it fell from the top down. First the top section, which fell on the section below, which fell on the section below, etc. You didn't see the bottom crumble before it got smooshed by the stuff above it. That's not the same as any controlled demolition I've seen.

Second, if it was a controlled demolition, it was a really poorly done one. For example, after it was all over, there was still a large section of the interior shaft still standing (something like 6 stories). So, what, they didn't blow that part up? Moreover, there was still a lot of the shell at the base still standing. I couldn't tell how big it was, but it looked to be several stories tall yet (that's dozens of feet of structure still standing).

The only thing that looked like a controlled demolition was that the building fell down.
 
Belz... said:
Yes, Saddam was a mild, kind-hearted dictator who had the best interest of his people, whom he loved passionately, at heart.
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Amerika was responsible of installing Saddam as a puppet in government of Iraq to obey america orders.

Rummy and Saddam meets...

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Because of amerika's treachery, saddam decided to turn his back away to america's orders that lead to the toppling of saddam before ameica could install another puppet in the iraqi government.
 
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