Loose Change

[geggy]

Geggy, haven't you understood yet that ranting without specifics doesn't cut it here? What, specifically, is untrue in the USA Today article?

First of all, the article states that 911 truthers are provoking the victims by making profits from selling dvds and stuff which is not true. Go back to the first post of this thread and you'll see that you can watch loose change...for FREE. Flight 93 were released today in theaters and people are expected to shell out 10 bux for a tix.

Secondly, more 911 truthers don't support the no-plane at the pentagon theory than you give credit to. They are simply aasking for the release of the videos of the crash.

 

[Pardalis]

That's because your third eye has been spraypainted.

What in blazes are you talking about?

 

[geggy]

The official theory is accepted by the public media from the whole world. Has the Bush administration a stranglehold of all of them?

The official theory is accepted by many citizens because the bush administration has a stranglehold of the media.

 

[Gravy]

Sighs...

Under normal circumstances of a conteolled demolition, the bottom of the central cores of the building are blasted first (which explains the penthouse fell down before everything else fell), then the cores on both sides of the builidng are blasted. Why? So the two sides of the building can collapse toward and inward of the center of the building. Why? To prevent the risk of both sides of the building from falling outward that could create larger field of debris that would make clean up less convienance and more difficult for machines and trucks.

Geggy, here’s a quote from FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro, who was calling the shots on the scene at WTC 7:

"The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC 7] building. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building’s integrity was in serious doubt.” [Fire Engineering, 10/2002]

Is it your contention that Nigro and the other officers on the scene were in on the conspiracy? Please reply.

 

[geggy]

What in blazes are you talking about?

Well parehanslia, third eye is a slang for frontal lobe of your brain.

 

[Pardalis]

The official theory is accepted by many citizens because the bush administration has a stranglehold of the media.

It's really impossible to have an intelligent argument with you. There is no way out your circular logic.

 

[hurdygurdy]

The official theory is accepted by many citizens because the bush administration has a stranglehold of the media.

You didn't understand my question. Has the Bush administration a stanglehold of the public media from all the countries of the planet?

 

[Pardalis]

BTW, geeky, since you can only give us your opinion, can you tell me what you think about Al Qaeda? Do they exist or are they just a chimera?

 

[Gravy]

First of all, the article states that 911 truthers are provoking the victims by making profits from selling dvds and stuff which is not true.

It isn't? Louder Than words doesn't have "Loose Change" and merchandise for sale on their website? "In Plane Site" and "9/11 Eyewitness" aren't also for sale? Yes, they are, as are books and videos by other conspiracy advocates who can't be bothered to do any fact-checking. These louses are spewing lies and profiting from it.

USA Today got that right.

Secondly, more 911 truthers don't support the no-plane at the pentagon theory than you give credit to. They are simply aasking for the release of the videos of the crash.

Is it untrue that some conspiracy advocates are no-planers? "Loose Change," the MOST POPULAR CT video, promotes the no plane idea for BOTH flight 77 and 93.

Whom are "they" asking for tapes? As kookbreaker pointed out, when the
government investigators finish with the tapes, they go back to their respective owners. Many tapes have been played at the Moussaoui trial (you never answered if you think he's innocent), and many others have been played for family members, including some this month.

Family members of victims have seen the videos of the Pentagon crash, and NONE of them are calling for an "investigation."What does that tell you?

And do you now agree that the USA Today article did not "smear" anyone?

(edited to fix typos)

 

[geggy]

You didn't understand my question. Has the Bush administration a stanglehold of the public media from all the countries of the planet?

Yes alQaeda exists as they were created by bin Laden with help of CIA and they're dangerous group of crackpots but were they really responsible for sept 11?

I can't really trust the source with the quote by chief nigro. We'll have to wait and see as soon as NIST releases the final conclusion of the WTC7 collapsing. Everything we say why it collapsed would be hypothetical.

"In plane site" is disinfo but you can view it for free at www.question911.com.

Moussaoui is guilty of being a member of Qaeda and wanting to perform terrorism toward america. But was he part of sept 11 conspiracy? I thought you'd be interested in knowing that many family members are defending moussaoui from receiving death penalty because they believe he is the wrong guy to be on trial. No BS here.

 

[Pardalis]

were they really responsible for sept 11?

You tell me. Who did fly these planes into the WTC and the pentagon?

 

[Gravy]

I thought you'd be interested in knowing that many family members are defending moussaoui from receiving death penalty because they believe he is the wrong guy to be on trial. No BS here.

I am interested. Please tell me who they are. And please be sure that it's for the reason you state,and not becaust they're opposed to the death penalty as a policy.

 

[Gravy]

I am interested. Please tell me who they are. And please be sure that it's for the reason you state,and not becaust they're opposed to the death penalty as a policy.

Okay, I found one in this AP story http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?no=287227&rel_no=1

Although she agrees that Moussaoui was involved, she doesn't think he should be on trial.

Mind if I repeat that? Although she agrees that Moussaoui was involved, she doesn't think he should be on trial. Wow.

She thinks the U.S. has people in custody who are higher up and who should shoulder more blame.

But she doesn't name them. Do you find it odd that a family member of a victim says she knows "whodunnit" but doesn't mention WHO, either on the stand or in an interview about that subject? Wouldn't the other family members like to have that information, especially since we already have the culprits in custody? Sheesh.

So, that's one person out of thousands of family members who thinks Moussaoui has been blamed for too much.

You said,

many family members are defending moussaoui from receiving death penalty because they believe he is the wrong guy to be on trial. No BS here.

Do you know of any others, or was your "no BS here" incorrect?

(edited for grammar)

 

[hurdygurdy]

Yes alQaeda exists as they were created by bin Laden with help of CIA and they're dangerous group of crackpots but were they really responsible for sept 11?

I can't really trust the source with the quote by chief nigro. We'll have to wait and see as soon as NIST releases the final conclusion of the WTC7 collapsing. Everything we say why it collapsed would be hypothetical.

"In plane site" is disinfo but you can view it for free at www.question911.com.

Moussaoui is guilty of being a member of Qaeda and wanting to perform terrorism toward america. But was he part of sept 11 conspiracy? I thought you'd be interested in knowing that many family members are defending moussaoui from receiving death penalty because they believe he is the wrong guy to be on trial. No BS here.

Okay, for the last time:

Has the Bush administration a stanglehold of the public media from all the countries of the planet?

 

[Gravy]

"In plane site" is disinfo but you can view it for free at www.question911.com.

Yes, but they also sell it, and proceeds do not go to 9/11 victims' causes.

Are there any videos or books that promote a CT view but that you do not consider "disinfo?"

 

[geggy]

Okay, for the last time:

Has the Bush administration a stanglehold of the public media from all the countries of the planet?

All over the world? You mean like US troops planting stories in Iraq? What about the time tony blair threatened to prosecute reporters if they leak the memo showing conversation bewteen bush and blair about bush's desire to bomb the aljareeza media facility? Etc etc etc etc....

Pelrhsaios, I can't really say. Some say planes may have been remote controlled and that's not so farfetched. Before the pentagon was crashed, the plane made a sharp 270 degree bank turn and crashed the west wing where the part was being renovated. It's almost impossible for an amateur pilot to make a 270 degree turn but it's possible with remote control. The reason why we don't see very many plane debris may be because the debris were delved into the ground. I mean the plane was going 500 mph when it crashed, you know.

Hey, look, an incoming fdny chaplin doubts alQaeda did it:
http://question911.livejournal.com/7143.html

Gravy, trust me. It came from the mainstream media source. Family members of the victims of WTC attacks are defending him. And no, it's not for the opposition to the death penalty policy.

 

[Gravy]

Gravy, trust me. It came from the mainstream media source. Family members of the victims of WTC attacks are defending him. And no, it's not for the opposition to the death penalty policy.

No offense, geggy, but you're the last person who's word I take for anything around here. You've been wrong in every encounter I've had with you, and you just expresed an opinion about the Pentagon crash and simultaneously displayed that you know zero about it.

So, how about the reference to that mainstream media source?

 

[geggy]

Yes, but they also sell it, and proceeds do not go to 9/11 victims' causes.

Are there any videos or books that promote a CT view but that you do not consider "disinfo?"

Yeah it's true that there are some who are in it for the sake of profit and they're jerks. Reminds me of the jerks who sold patriotic tshirts, stickers and ashtrays for the profit after sept 11 heh. But some who want to work full time as truthers depend on profits to make a living. Loose change producers give away dvds for free to those who lost family members and friends on sept 11.

I don't really read books and watch videos of sept 11. I read articles that's readily availble to read on the internet.

I already posted this article but it's a good place to start...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4582.htm

Informationclearinghouse.info has good and well balanced articles relating sept 11.

 

[Gravy]

I already posted this article but it's a good place to start...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4582.htm

Informationclearinghouse.info has good and well balanced articles relating sept 11.

Yes, geggy, that's a good place to start if you want conspiracy theories with no evidence to back them up. I mentioned this before: the first article on that site doesn't have citations to sources that back up any of its claims It only has a list of sources and suggestions for further reading. The author makes all sorts of outlandish claims and has zero references to back them up. Are you kidding me? You consider that "well balanced" reporting?

And let's take a look at who that author is:
Walter E. Davis
Associate Professor, Sport Studies
Kent State School of Exercise and Leisure Sports

And a quote from him

The report from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is believable unless you are seriously interested in the truth. Under more careful scientific scrutiny, it does not answer some very important questions.

This is a guy you trust to do your scientific scrutiny? He knows better than the experts who wrote the FEMA report? But he can't cite a single source that backs up his claims?

Geggy, you're not going to get accurate information from CT sites. Period.

And I'll take that reference about the families supporting Moussaoui, when you get a chance.

 

[geggy]

Wow, cognative disassociation at its best.

So you're dismissing everything that's written in this article just because of his job title? Because of what he does for a living, it means he can't do anything else in his life?

What you're displaying yourself as is one sided, excessively egolistical, pseudo-intellectual.

Congratulations on becoming for who you are, you must be really proud of yourself.