The ARE's FAQ states: "At the present time, A.R.E. does not believe that Edgar Cayce has returned." See -- http://www.edgarcayce.org/question_answers.asp#ecrencarnWell now, if Uri Geller says so, then that changes everything.
Is David Wilcox now working for the ARE? Has Geller contacted the ARE to confirm the great news of Cayce's return?
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Son of a gun. A paranormal claim Rodney won't defend. The guy's mistake was in not filling out an affidavit. If he does that, Rodney, you're screwed.
Here are a couple of sites that list the number of transcribed readings as approximately 30,000:
http://skepdic.com/cayce.html
http://briansprediction.com/dd/ec.htm
Here's a page from the ARE itself that describes the correspondence that is available, including the personal correspondence you couldn't seem to find on one of your many research trips to the ARE:
http://www.edgarcayce.org/edgarcaycefoundation/
Honestly, Rodney, I'm tired of looking things up on a computer for you. Please start doing your own work. I have a farm to run.
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Oh, and please stop saying you've given more "facts" about Cayce than anyone else on this thread. You're handing out third-party anecdotes, not facts, and I grow tired of trying to demonstrate the difference between "facts" and "stories" to you.
If you've really spent the kind of time at the ARE you say you have, you'd know better, and would have seen his correspondence for yourself. I had to help my friend wade through it, and don't understand how you could have possibly missed it, had you been there.
Several pages on the ARE site, by the way, read this way: "14,000 of the readings Edgar Cayce gave are available...." These are a selection of the materials available - not the complete number.
If you've really spent the kind of time at the ARE you say you have, you'd know better, and would have seen his correspondence for yourself. I had to help my friend wade through it, and don't understand how you could have possibly missed it, had you been there.
Several pages on the ARE site, by the way, read this way: "14,000 of the readings Edgar Cayce gave are available...." These are a selection of the materials available - not the complete number.
I'll give you credit for finding not one, but two uninformed people. However, I've now got the smoking gun that proves that these two fine folks are in error. I've already established that, according to --
http://edgarcayce.org/join_w_heavensastro.asp -- membership in the ARE entitles the member to: "Access to Edgar Cayce's 14,306 psychic readings on-line." An additional search of the ARE site reveals the following link -- http://216.54.9.32/search?q=cache:j...dgarcayce2&output=xml_no_dtd&site=Edgarcayce2 -- And that link has a note that states: "The complete Edgar Cayce readings are available to A.R.E. Members online through www.edgarcayce.org." Note the word "complete." So, will you now concede that there are only 14,306 readings, not 30,000?
The issue is whether there is anything available to the public at ARE Headquarters that is not available to the public on-line. I see nothing on the above page that says that there is.
May I suggest growing almonds on your farm?
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Did Edgar Cayce discover any medical therapies that doctors, real doctors, of today use... or even real doctors in the past? If not, why not? Did Edgar's cures only work on people he liked, who would write affidavids or were treated specifically by him? If a person claims to be able to turn invisible, but only if no one is watching him, sees him or has any artificial observation device tracking him, would you believe him?
You ask the questions that shouldn't be asked (if you want to believe).
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Sorry to bat one against you West but a cursory check of the Brians Predictions site (just hovering over the links will do) shows that they ripped it lock, stock and barrel from the Skepdic article
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There are approximately 30,000 transcriptions of Cayce's readings available at the ARE. The 14,000 are a selection from the transcripts. Cayce did not make only 14,000 silly readings. If you can't figure out that the correspondence contains readings, and the correspondence is available for inspection at the ARE, then I can't help you.
If only Cayce had healed his nearest and dearest. He was incapable of healing his wife, or his child. Modern science shows that countless treatments Cayce recommended are totally worthless, and rank among the worst imaginations of third-rate homeopathy.
I like an earlier suggestion made on this thread. If some fool wants to believe Cayce, then drop everything else - antibiotics, chemotherapy, etc. - and simply stick to what he said to do. I see very few people willing to stick to Cayce's advice for their treatments.
The man clearly failed as a prognosticator of the future, and can't be tested as a homeopath. Case closed. Let's move on to the next quack.
If only Cayce had healed his nearest and dearest. He was incapable of healing his wife, or his child. Modern science shows that countless treatments Cayce recommended are totally worthless, and rank among the worst imaginations of third-rate homeopathy.
I like an earlier suggestion made on this thread. If some fool wants to believe Cayce, then drop everything else - antibiotics, chemotherapy, etc. - and simply stick to what he said to do. I see very few people willing to stick to Cayce's advice for their treatments.
The man clearly failed as a prognosticator of the future, and can't be tested as a homeopath. Case closed. Let's move on to the next quack.
Yes, Cayce's treatments ARE used today by medical doctors, such as Eric Mein. See -- http://www.meridianinstitute.com -- In particular, examine the material on psoriasis. As Lurking noted on March 21, 2006 on the prior Cayce thread (in her one and only post on this forum):
"For the past 20 years I've worked in the medical field. For 8 of those years I worked for one of the top rheumatologists in the world. He was not only my employer, but eventually became my treating physician when I was diagnosed with crippling arthritis (psoriatic arthritis mutilans, which as the name implies has a psoriatic component).
"I'm the curious type who reads just about everything I can get my hands on. I found a copy of Cayce's book at the used bookstore so picked it up.
"When I read to my physician/employer (who is incredibly educated and accomplished; he had a 41-page CV then which is no doubt even longer now) the section on the origins of psoriasis from Cayce's book, you should have seen his face! He was completely floored, and immediately asked me where I had gotten that information. (Dr. N is a big a skeptic as you would ever meet.) After I told him he said nothing."
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As I recall, when I asked you to back that claim up with published, peer-reviewed studies and whatnot, you didn't. Care to try again?
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Another anecdote. Long-winded, but an anecdote, nonetheless.
As Mongrel notes, the only true source of the 30,000 transcripts figure is Robert Todd Carroll's Skepdic.com, which I've already shown to be inaccurate regarding its claim that Cayce recommended laetrile. Mongrel accurately notes that "Brians Predictions" site simply copied from Skepdic.com. So you have one extremely shaky source for your claim about the number of readings, no source at all for your claim that correspondence that is unavailable on-line is publicly available at ARE Headquarters. Against that, you have the ARE categorically stating that all readings are available to ARE members on-line.
Wrong. Cayce's treatments healed both his wife and his son Hugh Lynn. It is true that another son, Milton, died in infancy, but that's because Cayce failed to give a reading until too late. One of the great tragedies of Cayce's life.
Evidence?
That wouldn't be terribly logical, given that many treatments that are available today were unavailable during Cayce's era. In some cases, Cayce's treatments may have been overtaken by medical advances, and in some
cases Cayce's treatments may still be superior to modern medicine.
Not until you either admit you were wrong about your claims that readings and correspondence that are unavailable on-line are publicly available at Headquarters, or alternatively, document those claims.
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Five case reports submitted to the Alernative Medicine Review as an evaluation study. Stll under review, as yet to be published.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/..._uids=15387720&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum
The methodology of the treatment centered around a dietary protocol, "...fresh fruits and vegetables, small amounts of protein from fish and fowl, fiber supplements, olive oil, and avoidance of red meat, processed foods, and refined carbohydrates." Hardly a radical concept, and one that is ceratainly not exclusive, or original in orgin, to Edgar Cayce.
The submitters themselves acknowledged the limitations of the study:
Studies are on-going and many successes are claimed. No, that's not definitive proof, but the question was: "Did Edgar Cayce discover any medical therapies that doctors, real doctors, of today use... or even real doctors in the past?" The answer is, unequivocally, yes.
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Is it just me, or does this look like another variation of the "upstart Xian student shuts up stuffy old atheist professor" urban legend?
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Edgar Cayce did not "discover" diet as a psoriasis treatment. I'm sure there are many, many doctors who've never heard of Edgar Cayce who recommend dietary changes for psoriasis sufferers.
I don't care how many doctors are trying to get Cayce's "cures" to work, until they succeed in accordance with the standards of modern medicine, Cayce's "treatments" will remain where they are... best-forgotten relics of the past.
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Thank you, Psiload!
I'll be interested to see the ultimate outcome in this case. Nevertheless, were one wishing to test Cayce's medical "powers" this is definitely the right direction to go, not waving anecdotes wildly about in hopes of clobbering someone.
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Name one. He did not DISCOVER diet as a treatment, he ADVOCATED it. That's not the same thing. I advocate air travel as a handy way of moving long distances, but it doesn't mean I was at Kitty Hawk, now does it?
Can you name one specific therapy INVENTED by Cayce, rather than merely advocated, in use today?