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Something we said really pissed her off and Pam Blizzard threatened to send her Marine Sharpshooter husaband, Jeff Blizzard to our homes.
Claus was in Queens, me in Huntington.
We weren't scared we had cats,
 
Neofightl sent me the info about that "psychic".Sixty bucks a reading.
Screw that. If I wanted to turn totally mental, I'd invest in a dime bag of jimsom weed.
 
Neofightl sent me the info about that "psychic".Sixty bucks a reading.
Screw that. If I wanted to turn totally mental, I'd invest in a dime bag of jimsom weed.

Suit yourself, Jeff. I just thought you might consider going to someone like her who is not as well known as JE and others who charge $300-$400 and more (e.g. George Anderson) for a personal reading. The tape of my sister-in-law's reading is almost an hour long.

Or perhaps, when you feel ready, you'll decide to go to her on the QT, without anyone here even knowing about it. No pressure to report to anyone. Just go quietly, on your own, using an alias, and see what you shall see. Just try to be objective if you do. ;)
 
Hello, Neo. Don't want to derail the topic again, but I just now checked this topic since the last time I posted back on page 5 or 6, and just want to say yes, I do remember you. Of course! Nice to see you.
 
Something we said really pissed her off and Pam Blizzard threatened to send her Marine Sharpshooter husaband, Jeff Blizzard to our homes.
Claus was in Queens, me in Huntington.
We weren't scared we had cats,
Was this when someone posted her home address and phone number on a public forum?

Because that would seriously piss me off too.
 
And I guess that is another major argument against why I should never agree to finance a skeptic's personal reading, Ersby. Because even if the medium produced a number of very credible validations for them, the odds are, as in the case of Lurker and his wife, their cynicism would have them talking themselves out of the experience within a very short time.

My mom used to take me to her psychic readings when I was a little boy. Even at that young age, I could tell the psychic was full of crap. Her damn parrot was more informative and entertaining.

My wife went to a psychic when we were first dating. She thought it was real. So I sat her down in front of the computer and came to this here web site. This was years before the forum. Anyway, Randi had a sample psychic reading he used to demonstrate the Forer effect on this web site at the time. My wife read it, and about a minute later, a skeptic was born. She was furious. Wanted to go back to the psychic and beat her 35 bucks back out of the psychic. :D

"Kiss" member Gene Simmons is a great example of precisely that. I swear, I think I truly believe that some skeptics are simply hard-wired not to believe this sort of stuff.

Sometimes I think believers are hardwired to believe. :)

I take the word of those who say John Edward's shows aren't heavily edited. I can believe it. Even if they were edited shows, the readings are still so weak that you have to have a really strong desire to believe to buy into it.
 
Was this when someone posted her home address and phone number on a public forum?

Because that would seriously piss me off too.

Hi, RSL! I do seem to remember that happening, but I forget some of the details, and I wouldn't know where to find the thread. What Pam said, however, was said defensively, in response to things that "others" first said to her. ;)

I did find a post dating back to May of 2001 where some troll by the name of "Willheim" did indeed post Pam's personal information over at tvtalkshows, but I'm not sure if that was the very same offense that initiated the brouhaha that Jeff referred to. Maybe someone else remembers more about it?
 
Hi, RSL! I do seem to remember that happening, but I forget some of the details, and I wouldn't know where to find the thread. What Pam said, however, was said defensively, in response to things that "others" first said to her. ;)

I did find a post dating back to May of 2001 where some troll by the name of "Willheim" did indeed post Pam's personal information over at tvtalkshows, but I'm not sure if that was the very same offense that initiated the brouhaha that Jeff referred to. Maybe someone else remembers more about it?
Maybe you can answer the questions?
 
My mom used to take me to her psychic readings when I was a little boy. Even at that young age, I could tell the psychic was full of crap. Her damn parrot was more informative and entertaining.

Hey, Luke! Well, since even every believer acknowledges that there are plenty of fakes out there who scam the public, you could very well have been right about the person your mom went to.

My wife went to a psychic when we were first dating. She thought it was real. So I sat her down in front of the computer and came to this here web site. This was years before the forum. Anyway, Randi had a sample psychic reading he used to demonstrate the Forer effect on this web site at the time. My wife read it, and about a minute later, a skeptic was born. She was furious. Wanted to go back to the psychic and beat her 35 bucks back out of the psychic. :D

No comment, since I have no way of evaluating the reading your wife got. In any case, skepticism is a good thing. Hard cynicism is what I find counter-productive.

Sometimes I think believers are hardwired to believe. :)

No doubt, some are. I notice you didn't use the word "some" to qualify your comment the way I did. Very "black and white" of you. ;)

I take the word of those who say John Edward's shows aren't heavily edited. I can believe it. Even if they were edited shows, the readings are still so weak that you have to have a really strong desire to believe to buy into it.

Still, editing of the show was always a major point of contention with some posters here. I don't know how many "Crossing Over" shows you watched over the course of the several years it ran, but I think I saw nearly all of them. And again, even if I were less than impressed with the readings that others received, (which isn't the case) I would have a difficult time explaining how JE could possibly have come up with at least 8 extremely specific and accurate validations that applied to me, one right after another, with not one miss included, and all that without one single word of feedback or acknowledgement from either myself or my husband.

And BTW, as I've said, that information John Edward spat out included 4 complete, exact names, including the name Tom, (the name of the deceased, my father-in-law) my maiden name, (Alexander) my daughter's nickname, (Dolly, who is Tom's granddaughter) and at the very end, sounding extremely exasperated that my casual on-line friend, Bill, (atmytv from tvtalkshows) couldn't make sense of any of it, my own first name. (Jackie)

So much for skeptics' claims of vagueness and generalities. That was an outstanding reading by any measure. And those were just the names. John also correctly identified at least 4 other details specific to our family. Talk about things that make you go HMMM! Not so easy to dismiss something like that, especially in such a large venue of thousands of people and no assigned seating.
 
Hey, Luke! Well, since even every believer acknowledges that there are plenty of fakes out there who scam the public, you could very well have been right about the person your mom went to.

So, how do we tell the difference? Pay psychic after psychic until we find one we can't see through?

No comment, since I have no way of evaluating the reading your wife got. In any case, skepticism is a good thing. Hard cynicism is what I find counter-productive.

Bull. You only think skepticism is a good thing, as long as it doesn't challenge your own beliefs.

No doubt, some are. I notice you didn't use the word "some" to qualify your comment the way I did. Very "black and white" of you. ;)

Who are hardwired and who are not?

Still, editing of the show was always a major point of contention with some posters here. I don't know how many "Crossing Over" shows you watched over the course of the several years it ran, but I think I saw nearly all of them.

I don't doubt that for one second.

And again, even if I were less than impressed with the readings that others received, (which isn't the case) I would have a difficult time explaining how JE could possibly have come up with at least 8 extremely specific and accurate validations that applied to me, one right after another, with not one miss included, and all that without one single word of feedback or acknowledgement from either myself or my husband.

And BTW, as I've said, that information John Edward spat out included 4 complete, exact names, including the name Tom, (the name of the deceased, my father-in-law) my maiden name, (Alexander) my daughter's nickname, (Dolly, who is Tom's granddaughter) and at the very end, sounding extremely exasperated that my casual on-line friend, Bill, (atmytv from tvtalkshows) couldn't make sense of any of it, my own first name. (Jackie)

So much for skeptics' claims of vagueness and generalities. That was an outstanding reading by any measure. And those were just the names. John also correctly identified at least 4 other details specific to our family. Talk about things that make you go HMMM! Not so easy to dismiss something like that, especially in such a large venue of thousands of people and no assigned seating.

Unverifiable anecdote. And, as we have seen evidence of, your memory is highly malleable, especially when it comes to John Edward.
 
Unverifiable anecdote. And, as we have seen evidence of, your memory is highly malleable, especially when it comes to John Edward.

Stick it in your ear, Claus. I don't lie, and my memory is just fine. Plus, it was all posted at the time on the Philadelphia Seminar thread over at tvtalkshows. It was an excellent, accurate reading.

And Bill (atmytv) and his wife, Susan, can vouch for everything I said. Bill heard every single word, since he was the one to whom JE delivered the messages. As I've explained, I was there early, and Bill called me on my cell and asked if I could save him two seats, which I was glad to do. Then JE picked him out of the audience and gave him his reading, the second half of which definitely applied to me, not to him.

In other words, the way it works (and I'm directing this not to you, CFL, but to anyone who doesn't understand the process and might be curious about it) is that oftentimes a spirit might come through with messages for one person, and then that spirit might move over or pave the way to bring through another spirit, to give a message to someone else who has some sort of connection to the first person. Bill and I, having known eachother from tvtalkshows, and my having saved the seats for him, had such a connection.
 
Stick it in your ear, Claus. I don't lie, and my memory is just fine.

That is demonstrably false. Your less-than-perfect memory caused you to change your story about the Malibu Shrimp reading.

You deny that?

Plus, it was all posted at the time on the Philadelphia Seminar thread over at tvtalkshows. It was an excellent, accurate reading.

Prove it.

And Bill (atmytv) and his wife, Susan, can vouch for everything I said. Bill heard every single word, since he was the one to whom JE delivered the messages.

Excuse me? JE gives messages to someone else, yet you steal the reading? Do I understand you correctly?

As I've explained, I was there early, and Bill called me on my cell and asked if I could save him two seats, which I was glad to do. Then JE picked him out of the audience and gave him his reading, the second half of which definitely applied to me, not to him.

How did you book your seats? Did you pay by credit card?

In other words, the way it works (and I'm directing this not to you, CFL, but to anyone who doesn't understand the process and might be curious about it)

Thank you for acknowledging that I do understand the "process".

is that oftentimes a spirit might come through with messages for one person, and then that spirit might move over or pave the way to bring through another spirit, to give a message to someone else who has some sort of connection to the first person. Bill and I, having known eachother from tvtalkshows, and my having saved the seats for him, had such a connection.

What is the difference between that and stealing a reading?
 
Hi, RSL! I do seem to remember that happening, but I forget some of the details, and I wouldn't know where to find the thread. What Pam said, however, was said defensively, in response to things that "others" first said to her. ;)

I did find a post dating back to May of 2001 where some troll by the name of "Willheim" did indeed post Pam's personal information over at tvtalkshows, but I'm not sure if that was the very same offense that initiated the brouhaha that Jeff referred to. Maybe someone else remembers more about it?
I do. It wasn't.
As I was saying about false memories...
 

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