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Alek said:
By "they" I'm referring to the globalists who want to institute a one-world government at the UN, and who control the US and US foreign policy, and who are constantly trying to undermine US sovereignty. I don't blame "government" for 9/11, I blame elements within and without the government.
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I, for one, welcome our new globalist overlords.

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fowlsound said:
Maybe after you get your new job, you can tell us who's running the world, Delphi.
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It's the Globalists! Who are Globalists?
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Fans of these guys!
 
Alek said:
By "they" I'm referring to the globalists who want to institute a one-world government at the UN, and who control the US and US foreign policy, and who are constantly trying to undermine US sovereignty. I don't blame "government" for 9/11, I blame elements within and without the government.
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But current US foreign policy runs counter in many ways to the idea of a strong UN, much less a world government. Neo-cons hate the UN. The response to 9/11 showed the UN to be ineffectual at counterbalancing the US, its most powerful member. The Bushies had to do an end-run and form a "coalition of the willing" because the UN wouldn't back them up. This is a total non sequitur.
 
chipmunk stew said:
But current US foreign policy runs counter in many ways to the idea of a strong UN, much less a world government. Neo-cons hate the UN. The response to 9/11 showed the UN to be ineffectual at counterbalancing the US, its most powerful member. The Bushies had to do an end-run and form a "coalition of the willing" because the UN wouldn't back them up. This is a total non sequitur.
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That's just what "they" want you to think...
 
Alek said:
I don't accept the idea that I have to subscribe to any one alternate theory.
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You don't even have to subscribe to any one alternate theory. But it is a requirement, to have your argument be even considered rational, that you be able to state at least one self-consistent theory that you think is plausible. So far, when your own beliefs corner you into taking a stand, you've come up with ridiculous stuff - missiles hitting the Pentagon, disappearing airliners, fly-by-wire commercial aircraft. Surely you can agree that if there are no alternative theories that are not self-immolating by their own logical inconsistencies, then the standard theory has to be at least tentatively accepted?
 
senorpogo said:
Now I know this conspiracy has legs. Topper Harley believes it.

I'd post the link to the story, but I don't have enough posts to do so. Check out prisonplanet.com to check it out. The story should be on the main page. I don't think they mention "Loose Change" by name, but the arguments seem to be the same.
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And dude, Topper Harley has defended this nation numerous times! Check out his military record!

A true patriot who doesn't need fraudlently earned purple hearts to prove he bleeds red, white and blue!
 
chipmunk stew said:
But current US foreign policy runs counter in many ways to the idea of a strong UN, much less a world government. Neo-cons hate the UN. The response to 9/11 showed the UN to be ineffectual at counterbalancing the US, its most powerful member. The Bushies had to do an end-run and form a "coalition of the willing" because the UN wouldn't back them up. This is a total non sequitur.
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To the uninitiated, it may appear that neo-cons hate the UN, and that US foreign policy is counter UN. The truth is that any anti-UN sentiment expressed by neo-cons is just rhetoric to appease a minority in the Republican party who are in fact, anti-UN. In reality it's more of the same dialectical "good cop/bad cop", whereby Bush is assuming the role of "bad cop". His pre-emptive wars, his apparent thumbing his nose at the United Nations, and his refusal to sign the Kyoto treaty, among other things, has caused the US to be viewed as a pariah on the world stage. This backlash has actually resulted in an empowered UN which is now openly talking about global taxation.

His father, George H.W. Bush was an ambassador to the United Nations, and routinely sung its praises. I have numerous videos featuring this. Just read the transcript of his September 11th, 1990 speech.

I've studied politics and international finance for 11 years. The Republican party is pro-UN, and pro-big government, just like the democrats. Any differences are superficial. Such is the nature of the liberal/conservative false-paradigm.
 
chipmunk stew said:
Alek, why not drop the pretense and say what you mean? It's the Jews, isn't it?
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Why don't you drop the pretense? If you want to use slurs, go right ahead.

If I thought "the jews" were a problem, I would use those words, but I haven't, and I won't. But congratulations on a nice misdirection and for poisoning the well. Isn't it enough that I'm already "crazy"? Now I have to be anti-jewish too?
 
Alek said:
To the uninitiated, it may appear that neo-cons hate the UN, and that US foreign policy is counter UN. The truth is that any anti-UN sentiment expressed by neo-cons is just rhetoric to appease a minority in the Republican party who are in fact, anti-UN. In reality it's more of the same dialectical "good cop/bad cop", whereby Bush is assuming the role of "bad cop". His pre-emptive wars, his apparent thumbing his nose at the United Nations, and his refusal to sign the Kyoto treaty, among other things, has caused the US to be viewed as a pariah on the world stage. This backlash has actually resulted in an empowered UN which is now openly talking about global taxation.

His father, George H.W. Bush was an ambassador to the United Nations, and routinely sung its praises. I have numerous videos featuring this. Just read the transcript of his September 11th, 1990 speech.

I've studied politics and international finance for 11 years. The Republican party is pro-UN, and pro-big government, just like the democrats. Any differences are superficial. Such is the nature of the liberal/conservative false-paradigm.
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Alek said:
Why don't you drop the pretense? If you want to use slurs, go right ahead.

If I thought "the jews" were a problem, I would use those words, but I haven't, and I won't. But congratulations on a nice misdirection and for poisoning the well. Isn't it enough that I'm already "crazy"? Now I have to be anti-jewish too?
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If you hadn't ignorantly quoted Hitler or if you had retracted your quote and admitted it was misused, maybe people wouldn't be so confused as to where you stand on this issue.
 
ahhh those in glass houses I guess...

enjoy the forthcoming new world order! Hail newspeak!

I dont get it, why do you americans get all the conspiracies and NWO, secret government rubbish.

Alek, tell me some stuff about howard - he was over in the us at the time of the event....how come he aint mentioned as having some form of knowledge...

OMG I just opened up pandoras black box!
 
Any eyewitnesses to the missile hitting the Pentagon yet, Alek?
 
Apparently the Hearst-owned, Homeland Security-inspired Popular Mechanics hit-piece "debunking" 9/11 "conspiracy theories" hasn't convinced everyone:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog/science/1249302.html

In addition, I'm sure you thoughtful people will be happy to know that the author of that hit piece, Benjamin Chertoff, a "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics and the cousin of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff have teamed up with that paragon of reason Art Bell for the express purpose of debunking these silly 9/11 conspiracy theories that just won't go away.

So now you are aligned in defending the official government conspiracy theory with the former prime purveyor of the fantastic bigfoot sightings, ghost stories, and ufo encounters you apparently debunk here - Art Bell himself! Fate it seems, is not without a sense of irony, or a sense of humor.

I guess broken clocks like Bell really are right twice a day.
 
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Alek said:
Apparently the Hearst-owned, Homeland Security-inspired Popular Mechanics hit-piece "debunking" 9/11 "conspiracy theories" hasn't convinced everyone:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blog/science/1249302.html

In addition, I'm sure you thoughtful people will be happy to know that the author of that hit piece, Benjamin Chertoff, a "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics and the cousin of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff have teamed up with that paragon of reason Art Bell for the express purpose of debunking these silly 9/11 conspiracy theories that just won't go away.

So now you are aligned in defending the official government conspiracy theory with the former prime purveyor of the fantastic bigfoot sightings, ghost stories, and ufo encounters you apparently debunk here - Art Bell himself! Fate it seems, is not without a sense of irony, or a sense of humor.

I guess broken clocks like Bell really are right twice a day.
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Art Bell interviews Chertoff, and suddenly they're "teaming up"?

edit: the show in question--http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/03/05.html
 
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Alek said:
Why don't you drop the pretense? If you want to use slurs, go right ahead.

If I thought "the jews" were a problem, I would use those words, but I haven't, and I won't. But congratulations on a nice misdirection and for poisoning the well. Isn't it enough that I'm already "crazy"? Now I have to be anti-jewish too?
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You're right, that was unfair. But seriously, who are these globalists?
 
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