Loose Change

[senorpogo]

What's silly is you putting words in my mouth and completely misrepresenting, misconstruing, and misunderstanding what I've said, and then summarizing your confusion and attributing it to me.

That's par for the course, I guess.

Alek, I'm not trying to put words into your mouth. I'm just sincerely trying to understand exactly what you're asserting. I thought I had done a decent job of pulling together your points from various other posts you had made.

If you feel that I misrepresented your points, please clarify exactly what I said that was incorrect.

 

[WildCat]

What's silly is you putting words in my mouth and completely misrepresenting, misconstruing, and misunderstanding what I've said, and then summarizing your confusion and attributing it to me.

That's par for the course, I guess.

Are you now claiming that someone hacked your account and said all those things w/o your knoweledge?

Because someone called "Alek" posted all that in this thread.

And, one more time, do you have any witnesses who saw anything but an airplane hit the Pentagon?

 

[claimee]

senorpogo

To review Alek (just because I want to get this all straight in my head), you are claiming...

Individuals within the United States government plotted with big business globalists and members of the United Nations to crash radio controlled planes and plant explosive charges in the Twin Towers and 7 WTC building with the aim of completely destroying - not just damaging - all of them in hopes to psychologically attack the American public and create an environment where neo-conservative forces - whose agenda is secretly the same as the globalists and the United Nations - could enact policies that limit our civil rights and allow an invasion in the Middle East which all, ultimately, somehow makes America ripe for an invasion by an unseen, unnamed globalist army. To assist the agenda, forces inside the world media have intentionally suppressed the truth and provided disinformation all in an attempt to further the plot along. Despite the sheer magnitude of the conspiracy, all these forces have been able to keep everyone involved, on all levels, completely silent. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1520701&postcount=353

Alek

What's silly is you putting words in my mouth and completely misrepresenting, misconstruing, and misunderstanding what I've said, and then summarizing your confusion and attributing it to me.

That's par for the course, I guess. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1520862&postcount=356

Individuals within the United States government

It's apparent that the emotional cost of the realization that elements in your government were responsible for the deaths of nearly 3,000 people is too high for you. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1507532&postcount=106

Yet clearly, that is what you're doing with the official government conspiracy. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1507644&postcount=126

plotted with big business globalists

The globalists who control the US government have created these monsters, and have embroiled us into unjust wars on the basis of lies and deceit. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1515360&postcount=257

and members of the United Nations

a one-world government at the UN http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1519334&postcount=318

to crash radio controlled planes

I suspect they used global hawk technology to pilot the planes into their targets. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1518575&postcount=299

and plant explosive charges in the Twin Towers and 7 WTC building with the aim of completely destroying - not just damaging - all of them

The physical and other evidence indicate a controlled demolition. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1507377&postcount=94

in hopes to psychologically attack the American public

9/11 was a false flag psychological operation carried out by powerful elements inside the US government http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1513446&postcount=241

and create an environment where neo-conservative forces -

conditions for a "new Pearl Harbor" to accelerate the neo-conservative agenda. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1513446&postcount=241

whose agenda is secretly the same as the globalists

The globalists who control the US government have created these monsters, and have embroiled us into unjust wars on the basis of lies and deceit. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1515360&postcount=257

and the United Nations -

a one-world government at the UN http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1519334&postcount=318

could enact policies that limit our civil rights and allow an invasion in the Middle East which all,

Everyone with a conscience was and is angry over what transpired on 9/11. It represented a major paradigm shift in this country, and the world. It has created the pretext for an Orwellian police state here in the US, and an unprecedented US policy of pre-emptive war.http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1507250&postcount=82

The objectives were twofold: To create the pretext for a panopticon police state domestically and to create the premise for wars of aggression in the middle east... http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1513446&postcount=241

ultimately, somehow makes America ripe for an invasion by an unseen, unnamed globalist army.

They can't conquer America without first bringing it to its knees. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1518575&postcount=299

By "they" I'm referring to the globalists who want to institute a one-world government at the UN, and who control the US and US foreign policy, and who are constantly trying to undermine US sovereignty http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1519334&postcount=318

To assist the agenda, forces inside the world media have intentionally suppressed the truth and provided disinformation all in an attempt to further the plot along.

First of all, I personally recall watching this news being reported on CNBC, and then waiting for a follow-up which never occurred. It's as if the story just completely vanished. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1507359&postcount=93

It must be pretty fantastic for them to have the government, the mainstream media, and millions of little parrots like you doing the whitewashing for you. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1507855&postcount=163

This is what I've gathered from your posts.

Read that all out loud to yourself.
Doesn't it sound a little silly?

 

[WildCat]

senorpogo
Alek

Well done, claimee!

 

[senorpogo]

Very nice.
Thanks.

 

[Manny]

Geez, can you nominate for a language award a post that had as original content only:

senorpogo
Alek

There ought to be a citation award! Nicely done.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Admit it, Alek, you don't really believe 'your' theory. You just aren't ready to face up to the waste of time spent giving it credence. But what's a bit of time wasted when there's a valuable lesson to be learned?

 

[WildCat]

Admit it, Alek, you don't really believe 'your' theory. You just aren't ready to face up to the waste of time spent giving it credence. But what's a bit of time wasted when there's a valuable lesson to be learned?

He was lurking an hour or so ago. I hope he has taken a good hard look at this and realized how absolutely insane his CT is, but I doubt it. He'll probably go to the Loose Change forum where he can have his paranoia reinforced by the nutters there.

 

[Z]

[Zaary mode]
[documentary british accent]

Notice, gentle readers, how this specimen uses the term "conspiracy theory" to make the official government position on 9/11 seem as foolish as any other CT. Fascinating.

[/DBA]
[/Zaary]

Actually, it's Zaayr, and the proper capitalization was not observed - i.e. 'Gentle Reader', not 'gentle readers'.

 

[delphi_ote]

senorpogo
Alek

You are my hero.

 

[LostAngeles]

Geez, can you nominate for a language award a post that had as original content only:

There ought to be a citation award! Nicely done.

Stop reading my mind and stealing my ideas, manny.

Rock on, claimee!

 

[Orphia Nay]

Yes, I'll second (or fifth or sixth) that admiration.

I'm relatively new here - wouldn't excellent reading comprehension, citation skills and long thread memory qualify as Language award nomination material?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I'm early on in wading through this thread, but I thought I'd throw this into the mix:

According to the videotaped discussion with one of his followers (whose name escapes me), bin Laden, knowledgeable in structural engineering, did not expect the Twin Towers to fall when planning the attack. He was, if I recall correctly, hoping for a symbolic strike rather than a truly destructive one. With that, one could suggest (so I will) that the actual outcome was more accidental than by design.

So imagine for a second that they didn't fall. There would've been considerable internal damage to the buildings, but from even a modest distance, it would look like a couple dozen windows and some supporting concrete columns had blown out. A large hole yes, but relative to the visual size of each tower, not a big deal.

My point is that, to all purposes, the NYC attack looks cataclysmic because it ended up being that way. And since it ended up being that way, there's going to be no shortage of people who will reverse-engineer what they would imagine is a significantly dramatic narrative to fit that end result.

A few 2-bit thugs flying airplanes into the ground because they're upset about the U.S.'s presence in Saudi Arabia as well as its support of Israel? Hardly seems to balance, now does it? But an orchestrated plot of intelligent, well-funded American insiders, hoping to put in motion a world-wide offensive to enrich themselves monetarily and politically for decades to come...well, that's more like it!

 

[Regnad Kcin]

It is interesting to see how wrong your intuition can be about something like this. Looking at the Pentagon pictures Luke posted, I must admit I do find it hard to believe there is an aircraft in there.

An airplane is, physically, mostly empty space. For all its apparent size, an "air" plane, if you will.

I find myself thinking- well if that's an engine in the red box, where is the wing it should be attached to? Surely there ought to be at least part of the wing visible outside the building?

Not if it was pulverized.

Not too many years ago I witnessed a crash of a modest-sized military helicopter. I watched it go almost vertical into the tarmac less than two city blocks from where I was standing. Made quite a sound, not to mention an impressive, black smoke cloud. All that was left on the ground were a few charred bits, the total of which would probably have fit in a carry-on suitcase.

I also would expect, given the density of tourists in Washington DC and the ubiquity of cameras, to see at least one video of the impact actually happening...

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

 

[chipmunk stew]

He was lurking an hour or so ago. I hope he has taken a good hard look at this and realized how absolutely insane his CT is, but I doubt it. He'll probably go to the Loose Change forum where he can have his paranoia reinforced by the nutters there.

I've been trying to entice some members of the Loose Change forum to come back up Alek. So far, no takers.

I'm considering watching the video again, pen in hand, and bringing my questions & challenges to their forum. Would anyone be interested in a JREF foray into the Loose Change home field? Registering an account is ridiculously simple.

 

[Hellbound]

Not too many years ago I witnessed a crash of a modest-sized military helicopter. I watched it go almost vertical into the tarmac less than two city blocks from where I was standing. Made quite a sound, not to mention an impressive, black smoke cloud. All that was left on the ground were a few charred bits, the total of which would probably have fit in a carry-on suitcase.

Good point. While in Iraq, I was involved in the cleanup of one of our Apaches that crashed. I have a photo of the wreckage. I'm not sure if I can post it here (military has some wierd rules about what's allowed for the public). IN any case, the wreckage was gathered by us and placed in our bay (that's where my pic was taken).

It looks like a 10' diameter, 2' to 3' high pile of scrap. Nothing identifiable. I didn't believe it used to be a helicopter at first, until closer examination revelaed part of the nose gun that could be recognized.

There's just not much to aircraft. Also remember, this was an Apache. I'd venture a guess that these are built a bit sturdier than civillian aircraft, and it pretty much disintegrated on impact. Also, they're a bit slower than commercial jetliners, as well.

Just food for thought. I'll see if I can get some guidance on posting a pic of the wreckage for you all.

 

[chipmunk stew]

I've been trying to entice some members of the Loose Change forum to come back up Alek. So far, no takers.

I'm considering watching the video again, pen in hand, and bringing my questions & challenges to their forum. Would anyone be interested in a JREF foray into the Loose Change home field? Registering an account is ridiculously simple.

They're being particularly harsh on you, delphi. Not sure why--I'm the one who picked the fight. Maybe because you started the thread.

 

[delphi_ote]

They're being particularly harsh on you, delphi. Not sure why--I'm the one who picked the fight. Maybe because you started the thread.

And I have my mug up there. They're probably jealous of my dashing good looks.

 

[emperorchaos]

And I have my mug up there. They're probably jealous of my dashing good looks.

Yes, well we longhairs are naturally better-looking than others. Some say my avatar looks arrogant. What do they know?

And I'm ready for those of the Loose Change forum who signed up for the JREF forums to get in here. Perhaps we can start the debate anew, because I'm too lazy to read through this entire thread. I read like the first three pages and the last four or so.

I have an interest in this kind of thing as two of my best friends are pretty certain that 9/11 was a government conspiracy. Of course, only two years ago they also believed the moon land was a hoax until I showed them. Oh I showed them!

 

[Belz...]

Actually, it's Zaayr, and the proper capitalization was not observed - i.e. 'Gentle Reader', not 'gentle readers'.

Hey, be clement. That was my first time. Sorry about the name, though.