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Mojo said:
Useful idiots helping them spread their propaganda might have something to do with it.
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That only makes sense if it really is just propaganda. If it really is an issue and not addressing it is helping the far right, the ones helping the far right are you who keep denying it.
 
I don´t support the far right, I´m more of a centrist, I despise all extremists. But for quite some time now I´ve been noticing this blind spot from mainstream parties and thought it would empower the far right. And it´s happening as predicted, look at their rise in Germany and France. It´s a tragedy that this was not addressed earlier. Deniers are the useful idiots with part of the blame for the rise of the far right.
 
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Lukraak_Sisser said:
So, there were never Irish criminals? No Irish rapists?

Because that is the level of discourse here. If an Islamic person commits a crime it is not considered a personal thing, where the individual in question needs to be arrested, but rather a fault of the whole group.

The racists in this thread here claim I am in mortal peril from the Muslim teenagers I teach. The ones who behave the same as the rest of our teenagers (badly). That I should be terrified of the Muslim colleague trying to instill the concept of Math into those selfsame teenagers. That the cleaners who brought some of their cultural candy during a Muslim holiday are secretly conspiring to force me to convert at gunpoint. That my Muslim neighbour, married to an Israeli, who had to move here as their own countries refuse their love, is actually responsible for everything some radical spouts on the internet. That the bored girl scanning my groceries as a temp job during high school is actually part of a global all-Muslim terror cell, and that I should actually push to have them all expelled or at least put into segregated camps.
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Who are the racists in this thread and why? Please provide a quote.

I have no problem with Muslims in a personal level. I´ve met plenty. Apart from the islamists I met, the rest are perfectly fine. They themselves are victims of their toxic cult. A couple of pakistani friends I had got in trouble because they mixed too much with my Spanish female friend. Their imam forbid them to have any more contact. Another girl I knew disappeared from existence when she married a Muslim man. Suddenly she was totally cut off from speaking with any male person unless with explicit permission from her husband. I haven´t heard from her since. These things should not be acceptable nowadays. Muslims are the main victims of Islam. Being islamophobic is paradoxically being in favour of those muslims themselves. Just like being against Scientology is to want the best for the poor deluded fools who fell into the scam of Scientology. Those who help perpetuate these cults are actually hurting the followers of the cults.
 
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Lukraak_Sisser said:
So, there were never Irish criminals? No Irish rapists?
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Rule of so.
Lukraak_Sisser said:
If an Islamic person commits a crime it is not considered a personal thing
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That's the question, isn't it? Are there properties of Islamic culture fundamentally worse than western culture? Do they commit certain crimes at significantly higher rates? Are they assimilating to western values over time?

You seem to suggest the answers are no, no, and yes. But what if the answers are yes, yes, and no? And which way does the evidence point?
 
Abooga said:
That only makes sense if it really is just propaganda. If it really is an issue and not addressing it is helping the far right, the ones helping the far right are you who keep denying it.
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There are Immigration issues, and they are issues that - for example - the current UK government is working hard to address, and had much more success than the previous right wing governments.
 
Abooga said:
I don´t support the far right, I´m more of a centrist, I despise all extremists. But for quite some time now I´ve been noticing this blind spot from mainstream parties and thought it would empower the far right. And it´s happening as predicted, look at their rise in Germany and France. It´s a tragedy that this was not addressed earlier. Deniers are the useful idiots with part of the blame for the rise of the far right.
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Blind spot? It was brought up so much in the last general election you'd have thought it was the only issue facing the country.
 
Darat said:
Blind spot? It was brought up so much in the last general election you'd have thought it was the only issue facing the country.
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I´m not in the UK, I didn´t know that. If I understand correctly it seems mainstream parties over there have fiiiiinally caught up with the times. In here (Spain) they are still quite timid about this. I get the same impression from France and Germany.

If your mainstream parties are addressing the issue now, it means they´ve noticed it´s something people care about, right? Which is what I´ve been saying, and some of you seem to not be able to grasp. It reminds me of a book I read recently, "There´s no antimemetics division", it´s like some leftists can´t grasp some simple ideas because they have been infected with an antimemetic vaccine or something...
 
Abooga said:
I´m not in the UK, I didn´t know that. If I understand correctly it seems mainstream parties over there have fiiiiinally caught up with the times. In here (Spain) they are still quite timid about this. I get the same impression from France and Germany.

If your mainstream parties are addressing the issue now, it means they´ve noticed it´s something people care about, right? Which is what I´ve been saying, and some of you seem to not be able to grasp. It reminds me of a book I read recently, "There´s no antimemetics division", it´s like some leftists can´t grasp some simple ideas because they have been infected with an antimemetic vaccine or something...
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No it is in response to the right wing dogma/lies that our right wing press sources has "reported" on for all of my life.
 
Abooga said:
Yeah, right, good luck with that strategy... Farage loves it when you do that.
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What strategy - increase deportations, get the backlog created by the previous right-wing government down, increase prosecutions of people smugglers, reduce the number of boats with illegal immigrants reaching the UK? Why does Farage love it when that happens?
 
Darat said:
What strategy - increase deportations, get the backlog created by the previous right-wing government down, increase prosecutions of people smugglers, reduce the number of boats with illegal immigrants reaching the UK? Why does Farage love it when that happens?
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Farage loves it when you deny there´s any problem whatsoever with immigration and that those measures you just mentioned are unnecessary at all. Come on, how many times do we have to go around the antimemetic blindspot until you acknowledge it exists?
 
I live somewhere that must be 95% indigenous white, with Muslims a very rare sight. On our annual Yorkshire holiday we visited Bradford, in part to see what it is like to be in a minority. There were times when we were the only white people we could see. But there was not the Muslim domination we had been led to believe. There were as many black Africans as middle easterns. Using how women dressed as an indicator, we saw one whose face was fully covered. The rest were a mix of head covers or nothing, so I would say the majority are quite Westernised. We saw white and African women with head covers suggesting they were also Muslims. The restaurant we went to was Pakistani and did not serve alcohol, which is odd when having a curry. Scots associate alcohol with curry. We never felt any form of intimidation or uncomfortable; it was just different from what we were used to.
 
Abooga said:
Then why do you think the far right is raising so much in Europe... something in the air?
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It's not that difficult to get people to blame a group of "others" for any and all problems in society. It has happened before. The reults were not enjoyable.

You also seem to be saying that since the far right is not satisfied with whatever measures have been taken, we must do all that the far right asks, or they will become dangerous. That's not how i want my world to be governed.
 
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