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A Revolution Could Soon Be Under Way in Iran

Emily's Cat said:
Iran hasn't been willing to actually agree to getting rid of their nuclear programs and letting in objective oversight to ensure their compliance.

Nuclear weapons and funding of terrorist proxies keep being the downfall of negotiations.
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wrong. there were no real negotiations, because the US decided that it could just force compliance without any concessions.

But tell me this: do you think the situation now for the US, Israel, anyone in the Middles East or the World is better than it would have been if the Iran Deal had just been kept intact and Iran had not been attacked ?
 
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Iran has always been on the verge of weapons-grade enrichment, according to Israel. And yet they never got there, and even came to an agreement with Barack HUSSEIN Obama, which Trump tore up. So now we are all worse off, in so many ways, and my guess is that Iran by now is highly incentivised to finally do what Trump and Netanyahu keep saying they have already almost done.

But don't worry. Climate change, economic depression, and energy shortages will probably get to us, before the mushroom cloud.
 
Helen said:
Iran has always been on the verge of weapons-grade enrichment, according to Israel. And yet they never got there, and even came to an agreement with Barack HUSSEIN Obama, which Trump tore up. So now we are all worse off, in so many ways, and my guess is that Iran by now is highly incentivised to finally do what Trump and Netanyahu keep saying they have already almost done.

But don't worry. Climate change, economic depression, and energy shortages will probably get to us, before the mushroom cloud.
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Don't forget AI.
 
jimbob said:
Some inferences are reasonable, some are unreasonable. Thinking that criticising a war of choice that is a strategic disaster for American security equates to wanting Iranian nuclear weapons, is unreasonable and can easily be seen forever the other statements from the posters
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My comment was solely in response to Arthwollipot's claim that "righties" extrapolate to things that were never said. That tendency exists regardless of political leaning, and it's something that Arth themself does often enough to be noted.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
wrong. there were no real negotiations, because the US decided that it could just force compliance without any concessions.

But tell me this: do you think the situation now for the US, Israel, anyone in the Middles East or the World is better than it would have been if the Iran Deal had just been kept intact and Iran had not been attacked ?
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I think the world would have been better off if Iran hadn't consistently been funding and backing terrorist organizations, including Hamas, for decades on end.

I also think that Iran is a bit like WW2 Japan, in that they aren't going to stop until they're hit with overwhelming force. Iran views negotiation as a sign of weakness. I hope very much that someone in charge will come to their senses... but it's only a slim hope.
 
Emily's Cat said:
My comment was solely in response to Arthwollipot's claim that "righties" extrapolate to things that were never said. That tendency exists regardless of political leaning, and it's something that Arth themself does often enough to be noted.
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Except that his comment was about a particular example in this thread.
 
jt512 said:
What kind of ignorant question is that? They had been working on it for years and were days away from producing enough weapons-grade uranium for 11 bombs according to the IAEA, and months to at most one year from turning that uranium into usable bombs.
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Even though Trump assured us that he had obliterated Iran's weapons capability in June 2025?
www.whitehouse.gov

Experts Agree: Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated

From nuclear regulators to foreign policy experts to members of the intelligence community, every knowledgeable person is in agreement that President
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov
 
Emily's Cat said:
I think the world would have been better off if Iran hadn't consistently been funding and backing terrorist organizations, including Hamas, for decades on end.

I also think that Iran is a bit like WW2 Japan, in that they aren't going to stop until they're hit with overwhelming force. Iran views negotiation as a sign of weakness. I hope very much that someone in charge will come to their senses... but it's only a slim hope.
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Therefore nuke Iran so they don't develop nukes?
 
not much cred to make a deal when you have a recent history of murdering negotiators and sneak attacking during ongoing negotiations.

The US and Israel are bad at War, but it's nothing compared to how bad they are at diplomacy.
 
What's funny to me is that the US already did the 'they have WMDS!' lie when drumming up support for the invasion of Iraq, but apparently the US public (or at least the magat cult) has already forgotten and is ready to believe the same lie again. At least before Operation Iraqi Fudge-up they did a half-hearted job at showing some satellite images of buildings and stories about weapon inspectors being denied access.
 
jimbob said:
Except that his comment was about a particular example in this thread.
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It doesn't read like it. It reads like a generalized comment about what Arth thinks is a tendency among right wing people:

arthwollipot said:
It is, however, a typical extrapolation to words that were never said that is common among the righties.
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That's not a comment limited to a specific example in this thread. It's in response to a comment in this thread, but the post is general.
 
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