Tennessee: Execution of Christa Pike stayed!

[Trebuchet]

You know what seems really ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up to me? Executing someone THIRTY YEARS after the actual crime.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

This is how vets put down pet animals. It really is euthanasia. They just go to sleep and stop breathing. How can you mess it up to that extent?

I don't know what the shelf-life of pentobarbitone is, but surely they could get some fresh stock? Try a veterinary wholesaler. I suspect it's related to something I read once, that doctors won't assist in this barbarity, so they're relying on poorly trained lay staff who have virtually no experience to do the venepuncture. That will go wrong, every time. It's not a skill you can acquire by watching a demonstration.

The French had the right idea when they invented the guillotine. If you really must act like a completely barbarous country.

Pharmaceutical companies have been refusing to supply the drugs, and several states have laws against procuring them

 

[Norman Alexander]

This is barbaric.

Always was. "Everyone knows" that, in the movies, killed people just throw their arms up and die instantly. No mess, no fuss, no regrets. So they can't understand why it is not like this at any execution.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

In dissent Justice Sotomayor wrote in part, "The Court’s decision to vacate that stay interferes with the Sixth Circuit’s routine administrative handling of a capital case and unnecessarily prevents that court from giving due consideration to Pike’s claim. Worse, the Court grants such extraordinary relief solely to allow the State to execute Pike before litigation over her conviction has properly run its course in the lower courts. I see no reason to short- circuit the ordinary process of appellate review, particularly in light of the grave consequences of an erroneous decision. Tennessee’s desire to expedite Pike’s execution by a few days or even weeks cannot outweigh her “fundamental interest in [her] own life.” Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U. S. 1, 9 (1985)."

 

[Rolfe]

IV drug users such as heroin addicts have hard to find veins that might be described as blown veins. Maybe Pike had been shooting up for years, or maybe whoever told the media about "blown veins" used that terminology in error or to cover up someone's inadeqacy.

She's been in death row for 35 years, is she likely to have been shooting up? Regardless, if blood is circulating in the body, there are patent veins.

Someone was very definitely inadequate.

 

[Rolfe]

Pharmaceutical companies have been refusing to supply the drugs, and several states have laws against procuring them

Good for them. That's not an excuse for blundering ahead with out-of-date pentobarbitone though. For goodness sake, the actual practical efficacy of that stuff is a fair bit longer than they put on the bottle, too. What the hell were they using?

 

[The Atheist]

This is barbaric.

I could spend all day trying to think of adjectives to describe it and would fail.

I've checked my calendar 10 times already because I'm having difficulty believing the year is 2026 CE and not BCE.

I am honestly not one way or other on the Death penalty but in this case, she is the poster killer for DP.

Quite right! Never let the fact she almost certainly has FEA and was abused as a child stand in the way of state murder.

She was ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ 18!

You know what seems really ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up to me? Executing someone THIRTY YEARS after the actual crime.

That too.

Overall, it's more evidence of why the death penalty doesn't exist in enlightened countries.

We're happy to leave that to the religious zealots of Saudi Arabia, Iran and USA.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Good for them. That's not an excuse for blundering ahead with out-of-date pentobarbitone though. For goodness sake, the actual practical efficacy of that stuff is a fair bit longer than they put on the bottle, too. What the hell were they using?

Benadryl.

 

[Thermal]

She was ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ 18!

Well yeah, that's kind of the problem. She was an adult who presumably knew not to *checks notes* torture and particularly brutally murder a romantic rival.with careful forethought and arranged planning.

If we are going to play the "just a poor widdle innocent girlie" card that's worse, in a way. Poor waddle innocent girlies don't carve pentagrams in their victims chests before crushing their skulls with rocks. ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ natural born psychos do that.

That too. [30+ years in death row]

In fairness, she had a requested appointment with The Chair almost a quarter century ago (2002). She changed her mind, and returned to the appeals process and their delays. It is the convicted that generates the delays, not the State.

Poor widdle girlie was also convicted of attempted first degree murder while in lockup. Another misunderstanding?

I'm against capital punishment, mostly because of the chance of being wrong. Our system is by no means fail safe. But wth a pure psycho... I ain't saying it's right, but I understand it.

 

[The Atheist]

Well yeah, that's kind of the problem. She was an adult...

But not so much adult that she can buy booze, which is a touch ironic.

◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ natural born psychos do that.

That was my point. Kids with foetal alcohol syndrome are quite often born highly ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up.

 

[arthwollipot]

Poor widdle girlie...

Once again infantilising the argument. Please come back inside once you've finished recess.

Nobody said that she wasn't guilty as ◊◊◊◊. All we're saying is that the death penalty is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ barbaric and insane and has no place in a modern developed democracy, and cases like this illustrate why. The State should not be in the business of killing people. The only exception is in the case of a just war, which I define here as a defensive war to protect the homeland from an aggressive invader.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Now now, the US has this clearly stopped trying to pretend to be different from countries like Russia, Iran, China or North Korea and their practices, with your dear criminal in chief openly licking the boots of the dictators of those countries. So why not own up to the amount of killings the state does to promote 'law and order'?
Just because the rest of the western world is able to have far more law and order without the US 'justice' system just shows how backward we all are compared to the US.

 

[The Atheist]

Just because the rest of the western world is able to have far more law and order without the US 'justice' system just shows how backward we all are compared to the US.

I always find it interesting that countries with no capital punishment have far lower murder rates than USA.

Ho hum.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

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The only person that should be in front of a firing squad is Torture Memo Yoo.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

This one is a mess from the start, and by start I mean her birth: foetal alcohol syndrome? Sexual abuse as a child? The murder itself? The warped legal processes? And then cocking up an execution, using a smaller dose of a drug than is used elsewhere, but is successfully used by vets, possibly out of date, possibly missing a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ vein...

None of this is at all good and none of it speaks well for a number of systems in the US.

(The most striking time I saw someone miss a vein was the first time I observed ECT as a baby nurse: the anaesthetist, who I later discovered was an alcoholic, clearly, even to my eye, missed a vein with the muscle relaxant, but before either the charge nurse or I could speak, he shouted "Go!" and the patient went rigid and flew off the table. Have I ever mentioned I don't have much time for ECT either? Other occasions have been to do with taking blood samples.)

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Good for them. That's not an excuse for blundering ahead with out-of-date pentobarbitone though. For goodness sake, the actual practical efficacy of that stuff is a fair bit longer than they put on the bottle, too. What the hell were they using?

I absolutely agree, if I gave the impression I was offering that as a mitigation factor for this, that wasn't my intention.

 

[Thermal]

Once again infantilising the argument. Please come back inside once you've finished recess.

'Twasn't me infantalizing, Kemosabe. I was riffing off the implication of "she was ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ 18 years old!" Did you miss that? It was rather the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ point. She was *not" a widdle girlie.

Nobody said that she wasn't guilty as ◊◊◊◊. All we're saying is that the death penalty is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ barbaric and insane

No, that's not "all" you are saying. What do you think evoking her age was saying? Just wanted to reinforce that she was an adult? Come on dude.

and has no place in a modern developed democracy, and cases like this illustrate why. The State should not be in the business of killing people. The only exception is in the case of a just war, which I define here as a defensive war to protect the homeland from an aggressive invader.

And some think of murderous psychopaths as waging a war against the homeland on select fire.

I'm generally against the death penalty, but I'm not sure life in prison is really less barbaric. You are giving them a choice between a living hell, where they might glimpse a little happiness here and there before dying in the cage, or straight to dying in a cage. It's the old argument- is torture (putting a human in a cage for life) and watching them eventually die worse than killing?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Depends on what life in prison you give them.

The idea that prison should be primarily about punishment and not security for the rest of the population is misguided and toxic.
Yes, there are people who are a danger to others, but not all would be if treated humanely and given a chance at rehabilitation and reintegration.
Prison is extremely costly to society (so is death row), and it clearly is not delivering what it's supposed to.

Time to rethink many of the basic concepts and assumptions and learn from other countries.

 

[LSSBB]

'Twasn't me infantalizing, Kemosabe. I was riffing off the implication of "she was ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ 18 years old!" Did you miss that? It was rather the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ point. She was *not" a widdle girlie.

Using infantile language is not infantalizing... interesting...

 

[Thermal]

Using infantile language is not infantalizing... interesting...

Yes. Saying she was only 18 is implying she was too young to be responsible for her actions. Replying with 'poor widdle girlie' is mocking that implication.