Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[catsmate]

Did the research. You don't know what it means do you?

Of course I do, I was the one who introduced the term, which you clearly haven't managed to understand.
And which you use to dodge other questions.

 

[catsmate]

Remains an argumentum ad populum - that the law is fine (acceptable and satisfactory) as it is because most people think that.

Admit it is a fallacy and we can move on.

Nope. You're still wrong.

 

[catsmate]

Agan it is only a fallacy if it was being used as a logical argument, in this case it isn't it is simply stating how democracy works. Your problem is with reality.

A subtlety that @Poem doesn't seem to be able to understand.

 

[Poem]

Agan it is only a fallacy if it was being used as a logical argument, in this case it isn't it is simply stating how democracy works. Your problem is with reality.

#5,934

Looking in the round, Dutchman says porn is 'mainstream':

Porn as alternative for sex sounds er... mainstream enough, but sex as alternative for porn? Not so much, to me at least. A bit weird, even.

is 'reasonable':

To be clear, I consider this a reasonable line of thinking: "For lack of a consenting partner, sex is not available to me, so I'll grab some porn instead".

whilst sex as an alternative to porn is 'weird':

I consider this a weird line of thinking: "Porn is banned and therefore not available to me, so I'll grab someone for sex instead".

 

[Poem]

Of course I do, I was the one who introduced the term, which you clearly haven't managed to understand.
And which you use to dodge other questions.

Which question have I dodged c?

What does CP mean c?

 

[Poem]

Have asked Gemini regarding:

The UK still produces a lot of "schoolgirl" themed CP videography. I know a few of those involved.

but refuses to help as it goes against their guidelines - though does state the following common meanings:

Medical: Cerebral Palsy—a group of neurological conditions that affect movement, muscle tone, and posture.
Fandom & Pop Culture: Couple or Character Pairing—internet slang (frequently used in anime, drama, and social media fandoms) used to describe a romantic pairing or "ship" between two characters or celebrities.
Gaming: Combat Points or Character Power—a numerical stat representing the overall strength or rating of a character in various video games.
Technology & Entertainment: Cyberpunk—a sci-fi genre subculture.
Legal / Internet Safety: An abbreviation for illegal child exploitation material.

ETA:
After a bit of coaxing, Gemini said:

In that context, "CP" refers to illegal child sexual exploitation and abuse material.
When paired with terms like "schoolgirl-themed" and "videography," it is referencing illicit media that sexualizes minors.

catsmate will no doubt clarify (given the above).

 

[Poem]

Agan it is only a fallacy if it was being used as a logical argument, in this case it isn't it is simply stating how democracy works. Your problem is with reality.

Dutchman appears to place much faith in the will of the people to bring about laws and enforcement to make them 'as they should be':

If the law and/or its enforcement are not as they should be, the people have means to change them, through their representatives. It's called democracy. And if the majority thinks they are fine as they are then that's the way it stays. Terms like "morally bankrupt" all sound fine and upstanding, but have no legal meaning.
Personally I am still, as I was before, of the opinion that pornography performed and produced by consenting adults should be legal and regulated.

Whilst democracy is perhaps the best system we have - it cannot and will never satisfactorily demonstrate what is right and what is not.

 

[Helen]

Whilst democracy is perhaps the best system we have - it cannot and will never satisfactorily demonstrate what is right and what is not.

Then who should demonstrate it? And why should we trust them? Or are you talking about some sort of objective right/wrong?

 

[Poem]

Then who should demonstrate it?

Anyone with a logical argument.

And why should we trust them?

We shouldn't necessarily.

Or are you talking about some sort of objective right/wrong?

No.

 

[Helen]

Anyone with a logical argument? How on earth would that work?

 

[Poem]

Anyone with a logical argument? How on earth would that work?

I think you have misunderstood me. I am merely saying that an argumentum ad populum does not demonstrate truth.

 

[Darat]

You mean your "truth"?

 

[Lithrael]

As Darat tried to explain upthread, argumentum ad populum is a fallacy when used to prove a fact is true, but it's literally an identity when used to show a position is popular. For a less fraught example, a statistic showing "lots of people think Star Wars is the best franchise ever" doesn't prove Star Wars is the best franchise ever but it does prove that Star Wars is popular.

A statistic showing "lots of people are fine with thus & such kind of porn" does in fact prove that lots of people are fine with thus & such kind of porn. An individual is, of course, free to say that they don't think lots of people should be fine with it. But when it comes to laws enacted by the mechanism of popular support...

 

[arthwollipot]

I think you have misunderstood me. I am merely saying that an argumentum ad populum does not demonstrate truth.

An assertion without merit, since nobody was trying to do that.

 

[Poem]

An assertion without merit, since nobody was trying to do that.

Look what they said in response to accusations of moral bankruptcy and the inability of the FTC to impose crippling financial liabilities that it (Aylo) rightly owes its victims:

If the law and/or its enforcement are not as they should be, the people have means to change them, through their representatives.....

That clearly implies faith in democracy to put things right - to make things as they should be. The fact is is that most people are enjoying easy-access porn and won't be disinterested when it comes to a vote.

Dutchman is saying nothing substantive in respect of the rights and wrongs of porn.

 

[arthwollipot]

So you agree then. Contrary to your claim, nobody is using an argument from popularity to say that porn is good.

 

[catsmate]

Have asked Gemini regarding:
<gibber snippage>

Sigh. Relying on AI slop? Try thinking for yourself.

catsmate will no doubt clarify (given the above).

As I've said, do your own research. Your failure and incompetence rather undermines your claims.

 

[catsmate]

So you agree then. Contrary to your claim, nobody is using an argument from popularity to say that porn is good.

Ah, facts......

 

[catsmate]

Dutchman appears to place much faith in the will of the people to bring about laws and enforcement to make them 'as they should be':

Strawman.

Whilst democracy is perhaps the best system we have - it cannot and will never satisfactorily demonstrate what is right and what is not.

Sigh.

 

[Poem]

Sigh. Relying on AI slop? Try thinking for yourself.

How dare you impugn Gemini.

As I've said, do your own research. Your failure and incompetence rather undermines your claims.

Gh ryt HUW