Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[theprestige]

How did you manage three identical typos in one post? No criticism - that must be a coincidental record?

I'm as baffled as you are.

 

[catsmate]

My understanding is that the BBFC does not refer illegal content to Trading Standards -

Oh good grief.......

 

[catsmate]

Once the potential for escalation is established in a particular type of porn, then its legitimacy per se is called into question; if F (harmful) can lead to G (illegal), then A can lead to B, B to C, C to D, D to E and E to F (where A to E are legal).

This is rubbish.

 

[TragicMonkey]

This is rubbish.

Did you mean to refer to just that post or the entire thread?

 

[catsmate]

Did you mean to refer to just that post or the entire thread?

Well, specifically that particular post. But more generally, yes, the whole thread.

 

[theprestige]

Once the potential for escalation is established in a particular type of porn, then its legitimacy per se is called into question; if F (harmful) can lead to G (illegal), then A can lead to B, B to C, C to D, D to E and E to F (where A to E are legal).

I for one don't agree that the per se legitimacy of something can be questioned just because it might lead to a chain reaction that results in a negative outcome somewhere far down the line of alleged causality.

Operating an automobile can allow for drunk driving can lead to death of innocent bystanders. This does not call into question the per se legitimacy of driving a car. It might, however, call for strict(er) regulation of the activity.

In many cases, the per se legitimacy of something is related to its overall risk/reward to society. Risk from improper use of cars is less than the overall benefit to society of having such transportation options widely available to everyone. On the other hand, one could argue that the overall impact from emissions, infrastructure requirements, and radical recontextualization of the social fabric, taken together, calls into question the per se legitimacy of POVs.

In other cases, the per se legitimacy of something is axiomatic. The right to free speech, for example, is held by many (most? almost all?) to be axiomatically legitimate per se. No amount of bad speech or consequences of bad speech can call into question the per se legitimacy of the right to free speech.

Which brings us back to the question of strict scrutiny, when proposing to regulate things that are axiomatically legitimate, like pornographic expressions.

 

[arthwollipot]

This is rubbish.

It's literally the Slippery Slope fallacy, explained as though from a textbook about logical fallacies.

 

[Poem]

It's literally the Slippery Slope fallacy, explained as though from a textbook about logical fallacies.

Why have many Western European countries, the UK and Australia banned roleplay porn? You are adamant, it would seem, that it's not about slippery slopes - what then exactly?

That's a lie, and the fact that it's a lie has been patiently explained to you many, many times. The actors are not being portrayed as underage. They are explicitly and obviously being portrayed as being 18 or older. A person who is 18 or older can wear short skirts and pigtails and that does not mean that they are portraying a child.

The material you are talking about we know exists - the example of Young Harlots (front cover) has been cited: it looks dodgy but the BBFC approved it with no roleplay cuts necessary. However, as has been quoted myriad times - the BBFC make it clear that there is material available that would not get a certicficate:

The research shows that, in the past three months, users had been exposed to online content depicting physical violence, non-consensual activity, incest, and adults role-playing as children. Such content may cause harm by promoting an interest in sexually abusive relationships or in activity (such as strangulation) that can lead to serious physical harm. As such, it would be refused classification by the BBFC and would therefore be illegal to supply or distribute offline (on DVD or Blu-Ray). Of those exposed to these types of content, users were most concerned (67%) by material depicting adults role-playing as children.

What does it say?

Such content may cause harm by promoting an interest in sexually abusive relationships

The slippery slope and why it is deemed abhorrent.

 

[Poem]

I for one don't agree that the per se legitimacy of something can be questioned just because it might lead to a chain reaction that results in a negative outcome somewhere far down the line of alleged causality.

Operating an automobile can allow for drunk driving can lead to death of innocent bystanders. This does not call into question the per se legitimacy of driving a car. It might, however, call for strict(er) regulation of the activity.

In many cases, the per se legitimacy of something is related to its overall risk/reward to society. Risk from improper use of cars is less than the overall benefit to society of having such transportation options widely available to everyone. On the other hand, one could argue that the overall impact from emissions, infrastructure requirements, and radical recontextualization of the social fabric, taken together, calls into question the per se legitimacy of POVs.

In other cases, the per se legitimacy of something is axiomatic. The right to free speech, for example, is held by many (most? almost all?) to be axiomatically legitimate per se. No amount of bad speech or consequences of bad speech can call into question the per se legitimacy of the right to free speech.

Which brings us back to the question of strict scrutiny, when proposing to regulate things that are axiomatically legitimate, like pornographic expressions.

POV = privately owned vehicle?

 

[Poem]

Did you mean to refer to just that post or the entire thread?

It was a solipsistic slip.

 

[Poem]

Well, specifically that particular post. But more generally, yes, the whole thread.

What does CP mean?

 

[catsmate]

What does CP mean?

Still expecting others to do your work?

 

[Poem]

Still expecting others to do your work?

theprestige was asking the same question.

GH, Jert, Hup.

 

[arthwollipot]

Why have many Western European countries, the UK and Australia banned roleplay porn? You are adamant, it would seem, that it's not about slippery slopes - what then exactly?

The material you are talking about we know exists - the example of Young Harlots (front cover) has been cited: it looks dodgy but the BBFC approved it with no roleplay cuts necessary. However, as has been quoted myriad times - the BBFC make it clear that there is material available that would not get a certicficate:

What does it say?

The slippery slope and why it is deemed abhorrent.

 

[Poem]

...when a poster cannot respond.

 

[arthwollipot]

You really don't understand what the Slippery Slope fallacy is and why it's a logical fallacy, do you?

 

[arthwollipot]

POV = privately owned vehicle?

Point Of View.

 

[Poem]

Truism:
Not everyone who masturbates to content featuring 18+ adults roleplaying as children will end up watching actual child porn.

 

[Poem]

Point Of View.

No it doesn't, not in this case.

 

[catsmate]

theprestige was asking the same question.

GH, Jert, Hup.

So?