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My most recent post quoting the law and Barnardo's and the post citing an example of a legally rated and published "classroom" setting UK DVD. And the post with the front cover. Ooh and the post discussing actual documented cuts demanded by the BBFC to get films the rating they wanted. And the post where I say, again, that the BBFC's actions show they don't agree with Poem's interpretations.
My understanding is that Young Harlots (you link to its promotional front cover above) was licenced only after cuts; the full uncut version will be available on the internet to any UK citizen (which potentially amounts to a huge number of UK citizens who aren't being prosecuted for consuming CSAM).
 
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My understanding is that Young Harlots (you link to its promotional front cover above) was licenced only after cuts; the full uncut version will be available on the internet to any UK citizen (which potentially amounts to a huge number of UK citizens who aren't being prosecuted for consuming CSAM).
The cuts I found to have been demanded to various Young Harlots porn DVDs were for going too hard at deep throating and for piss. Not for anything to do with the student roleplay angle. It's in the post you linked! Why do you argue in this way?
 
Are you saying you have A/B the cut with the uncut?
I am saying I had a document listing the cuts that were demanded, and I reproduced the relevant parts in the thread, which you just quoted, and you have bupkis + insinuations.
 
When a certificate is issued the BBFC publishes what cuts and changes were necessary for a movie to gain its certificate (if any).
From BBFC:

Young Harlots Classroom Special
Cuts:
Compulsory cuts required to remove abusive and potentially harmful activity (in this case gagging and semi-gagging during oral sex, nose-pinching during oral sex, and verbal references encouraging such activity). Cuts made in accordance with BBFC Guidelines and policy, and the Video Recordings Act 1984.
 
Yes, that's what I just said.

Just to head off the next round:

Simulated CSAM is a real problem. It is prosecutable in many jurisdictions.

Legal adults dressing up in schoolgirl uniforms does not, by itself, qualify a peice of media as CSAM.

I do not know where the line between roleplay and simulated CSAM is drawn in most jurisdictions, but I'm confident it will have a lot to do with being easy to mistake for CSAM.

Porn that is not legal in a jurisdiction that has rules about appearing possibly underage is just porn that is not legal; it is NOT automatically considered to be simulated CSAM.
 
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My understanding is that Young Harlots (you link to its promotional front cover above) was licenced only after cuts; the full uncut version will be available on the internet to any UK citizen (which potentially amounts to a huge number of UK citizens who aren't being prosecuted for consuming CSAM).
I don't see anyone looking, attempting to look, or pretending to look underage on that promotional front cover.

This crusade of yours seems less like being opposed to actual depictions of CSAM, whether real or simulated, and more like wanting to kink-shame people.
 
Yes, that's what I just said.

Just to head off the next round:

Simulated CSAM is a real problem. It is prosecutable in many jurisdictions.

Legal adults dressing up in schoolgirl uniforms does not, by itself, qualify a peice of media as CSAM.
Right, but the BBFC's survey found that UK citizens were indeed seeing roleplay material that is illegal in the UK.
I do not know where the line between roleplay and simulated CSAM is drawn in most jurisdictions, but I'm confident it will have a lot to do with being easy to mistake for CSAM.

Porn that is not legal in a jurisdiction that has rules about appearing possibly underage is just porn that is not legal; it is NOT automatically considered to be simulated CSAM.
Different countries have different rules. In Australia it is considered CSAM. In the UK, though not strictly CSAM, it nevertheless carries the same sentence (up to 10 years).
 
How charming.
Yes, yes. We already know it's not really about the CSAM; you just don't like porn in general. The only reason you're harping on CSAM is that you think it's the easiest sell to people who otherwise have no serious objection to porn. And the reason it's turning out to be a much harder sell than you imagined is because everybody knows that real CSAM is actually quite rare on mainstream porn sites, and everybody has noticed that you keep having to expand the definition to try to make your pitch. Exaggeration and misrepresentation only works when your audience doesn't know you're doing it.
 
I don't see anyone looking, attempting to look, or pretending to look underage on that promotional front cover.
Some of them clearly look underage - but the BBFC made no cuts in that respect so I was wrong.
This crusade of yours seems less like being opposed to actual depictions of CSAM, whether real or simulated, and more like wanting to kink-shame people.
Based on one video? Have already posted BBFC's acknowledgement that roleplay porn is easily available on mainstream websites and is illegal in the UK.
 
Some of them clearly look underage - but the BBFC made no cuts in that respect so I was wrong.
Which ones?

Based on one video? Have already posted BBFC's acknowledgement that roleplay porn is easily available on mainstream websites and is illegal in the UK.
Based on your entire body of work so far in this thread. The sources you cite, the examples you give, the arguments you use, the questions you choose to answer and the answers you choose to give... It all adds up to the conclusion that you just don't like porn, don't respect people who do, and would prefer to see it all banned.

Even if all school student roleplay and young actor content were banned tomorrow, you'd still want the rest of it banned as well.
 
Yes, yes. We already know it's not really about the CSAM; you just don't like porn in general. The only reason you're harping on CSAM is that you think it's the easiest sell to people who otherwise have no serious objection to porn. And the reason it's turning out to be a much harder sell than you imagined is because everybody knows that real CSAM is actually quite rare on mainstream porn sites, and everybody has noticed that you keep having to expand the definition to try to make your pitch. Exaggeration and misrepresentation only works when your audience doesn't know you're doing it.
I have already posted the BBFC's acknowledgement of the prevalence of roleplay material easily available on the net that carries a sentence of up to 10 years in the UK. You continue to dodge that fact.

Your post is irrelvant.
 
Which ones?
Bottom row.
Based on your entire body of work so far in this thread. The sources you cite, the examples you give, the arguments you use, the questions you choose to answer and the answers you choose to give... It all adds up to the conclusion that you just don't like porn, don't respect people who do, and would prefer to see it all banned.
And?
Even if all school student roleplay and young actor content were banned tomorrow, you'd still want the rest of it banned as well.
And?
 
don't respect people who do
Rather than you infer that, what I have tried to do is draw attention to the negative impact porn is undoubtedly having on society. You think porn is probably harmful - but you have a hard time believing in anything much don't you?

That huge numbers of UK citizens see illegal roleplay porn is a fact.
 
Rather than you infer that, what I have tried to do is draw attention to the negative impact porn is
undoubtedly having on society. You think porn is probably harmful - but you have a hard time believing in anything much don't you?

That huge numbers of UK citizens see illegal roleplay porn is a fact.
Which of course is what you still have to show and quantify.
 
Posters dodge this:
The BBFC regularly say nothing when the press misinterpret them? Where is the discrepancy? - the BBFC in their own words:

The research shows that, in the past three months, users had been exposed to online content depicting physical violence, non-consensual activity, incest, and adults role-playing as children. Such content may cause harm by promoting an interest in sexually abusive relationships or in activity (such as strangulation) that can lead to serious physical harm. As such, it would be refused classification by the BBFC and would therefore be illegal to supply or distribute offline (on DVD or Blu-Ray). Of those exposed to these types of content, users were most concerned (67%) by material depicting adults role-playing as children.
 
Bottom row.
None of the women in the bottom row look younger than 18 to me.

And?

And?
And so be honest about what you're actually trying to accomplish. Tell us what you want, and why, in plain language. Then do us the courtesy of letting us make up our own minds, instead of trying to browbeat, gaslight, and mislead us into accidentally agreeing with your unstated but poorly-hidden premises.
 

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