The behaviour of UK police officers.

[Nessie]

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Then they should allocate those resources better. Film outside a police station and you'll get a minimum of two and up to 6 officers including senior officers surrounding you. Report a break in and you'll maybe see one "when they have the time"

Tough ◊◊◊◊. There is no expectation of privacy in public and visiting a police station doesn't change that.

That'll be criminal behaviour then and there are multiple laws that allow the police to tackle such behaviour. If it's a real problem then stop dressing up and start doing the job.

Impartiality breaching, performative gestures.
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I'll take that as a yes then.

Just looking at the above pictures while reading this earns that statement only one thing.

You are exaggerating about what happens if someone films outside a police office. People are still entitled to privacy and to not be filmed going in or out of a police office. Someone filming people will deter some from being seen going into the office. That is why it is reasonably challenged.

Getting the public to speak to the police is hard enough at times, without idiots filming and being nosey. Public engagement, especially with groups such as LGBTQ and ethnic minorities, is important. Of course right wing insensitive idiots will ridicule the police when they do engage. They want to remain in their perceived position as at the top of society, with others beneath them and they cannot stand equality. That is why there has been an outpouring of protest over DEI training, when an officer does get it wrong.

 

[Nessie]

Evidence for that, Nessie? God, you exemplify everything that wrong with the police. You are a boor! You make assertive statements and expect the world to nod sagely and agree. 'Plod' has veritably spoken!

Here's a thing: I used to be a UKIPer but voted 'remain'; I have some 'Brexity books' etc. How does that fit into you idea of groupings? Just stop it with the 'hurty words', eh?

My experience when I was a police officer and the number of neighbour/family disputes where once both side had been listened to, it was clear they were as bad as each other, but they only expected action to be taken against the other party. I would also suggest you follow Larry the Cat on twitter. Whoever runs it, is very good at reminding politicians about what they have said in the past, when they complain about what others are saying. The same politicians will be forgiving when a fellow party member says something and demand resignations when it is the opposition.

 

[Nessie]

No, I think you'll find the majority of the public don't want ANY interaction with the Police as a result of anyone saying hurty words no matter who says them and whom they are directed at.

Rather, I think the majority of the public would like the Police to do their ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ job, which is investigating and solving ACTUAL crimes... burglaries, assaults, sex-crimes, shoplifting, street thefts, car conversion etc.

The current situation in the UK is that if you say some hurty words on social media, and someone reports you for what you said, up to half a dozen cops turn up at your door and investigate or arrest you, but if you report that your house has been burgled, they give you a crime number for your insurance and no cop ever shows up to investigate.

These are same of the people and the innocuous things they have said or done, and that cops have shown up for.

Marcus Cumberbatch: Visited by police officers after posting a series of sharp, satirical videos on TikTok and X targeting local public spending.

Sarah Wilkinson: A political activist and online commentator, visited by counter-terrorism police officers over social media posts she made online regarding international political conflicts. She was briefly detained and had her electronic devices seized before being released.

Richard Evans: A local campaigner who was visited at his residence by officers after publishing a strongly worded post on Nextdoor criticizing the security and layout of a local immigration housing center

Alan Smith: A Facebook user who was visited by police and issued an official warning regarding a post that used dark, non-violent satire to mock local council members over a controversial low-emission zone traffic policy.

Harry Miller: A former police officer who was visited at his workplace by Police over gender-critical tweets; he subsequently mounted a successful Court of Appeal challenge that ruled the police's actions unlawfully interfered with his freedom of expression

Allison Pearson: A reporter being visited by police regarding a historical post on X. Police later clarified the interaction related to an alleged criminal communication offense rather than an NCHI, and the probe was subsequently dropped.

Julian Foulkes: A 71-year-old retired special constable detained by Police over a social media post addressing anti-Semitism after he engaged with an online account regarding pro-Palestinian demonstrations. His wife's underwear drawer was searched and his reading material criticized for being "very Brexity" He was a caution which was later rules unlawful.

David Wootton: A 40-year-old man who was arrested and convicted of posting hurty words. The police intervention occurred after he posted images on social media showing himself at a fancy dress party wearing Halloween costume mocking the Manchester Arena bomber.

Darren Brady: A military veteran who was visited and arrested by Police officers after he shared an online meme that re-arranged transgender pride flags into the shape of a swastika

James Goddard: A political activist who was visited and arrested by Police. for a non-violent video posted to social media that contained hurty words directed at a public official.

Richard Williams: Arrested, charged and convicted for posting content onto a public Facebook group that encouraged people to join protests and sharing a derogatory meme concerning migrants.

Billy Thompson: A arrested by police after posting an offensive comment on Facebook directed toward local police officers handling public demonstrations. He was sentenced to 12 weeks in prison.

Maxie Allen and Rosalind Levine: A couple who were and cuffed and taken away in front of their two daughters and held in a police cell for eight hours for posting critisicm (not even hurty words) towards a headmaster on a private WhatsApp group chat.

There are others too that I have bothers checking about Helen Jones, Deborah Anderson, Kate Scottow, Paul Busetti, Leigh Cooper, Stephen Watson... and of course, Graham Linehan

The process is the punishment.

You obviously do not get the irony in your post. You start by claiming the public do not want the police to act over hurty words and then you list just a few of the times they have complained about hurty words and demanded the police act. Or, do you think the police acted independently, with no complaint? Is that how you think it works?

 

[Nessie]

And still it seems to be taboo on this thread to mention Stuart Campbell, detained for 15 hours and all his devices seized for a tweet that read "[female journalist writing for well-known red-top tabloid] is an absolute disgrace" some years ago. Then had police banging on his door at two in the morning a few weeks ago over a couple of other entirely legal tweets about someone else.

The Plague

Ever-alert Wings readers will be aware that for the past three and a half years or so I’ve been the target of a campaign by disgraced former policeman Lynsay Watson, who over that period has …

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That has been caused by a former police officer who knows how to get the police to take action. I hope by now, all police officers are aware of his intent and if he makes any more complaints, it will have to be a very high bar he has to get over, before the police act. There was a repeat complainer marker in Scotland, that flagged up people who constantly contacted the police. For some, it acted as an at risk indicator, such as victims of stalking. It also identified malicious repeat complainers. Has Watson been active in Scotland? Has he had more success with some police forces than others, which may be down to how well those forces record and flag repeat complainers?

 

[Rolfe]

The first occasion, when Stuart was locked in a cell for 15 hours, had nothing to do with Watson. The journalist in question reported him to the Met for harassment on account of that tweet, which was criticising an anti-independence article she wrote. Ironically, he had blocked her on Twitter and at that time you couldn't see the tweets of people who had blocked you. They went through all his social media and contacted friends he'd been bantering with asking them if they wanted to take action against him.

Later, this complaint of harassment from a woman, which eventually resulted in no action, became "arrested for harassing a woman online" then "arrested for abusing a woman online" then "arrested for abusing a woman" then "arrested for sexual abuse" in the discourse of his enemies. It's still occasionally flung at him, years later.

Watson is one of three or four activists waging lawfare against people they don't like and at least one of them is Scottish. You might think that given the length of time this has been going on "all police officers would be aware of his activities and he would have a high bar to get over with any more complaints" but this is clearly not the case as the incident in Bath demonstrates. The police are still jumping to his tune and acting like his personal goon squad.

I know there have been moves afoot to have him declared a vexatious litigant but I don't know how this is progressing. I'm not sure that would actually stop him complaining to the police though, or the police doing his bidding if they felt so inclined. As they often seem to feel. He's part of a holy, favoured demographic who are given special privileges and whose transgressions are overlooked.

 

[Rolfe]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2093785083496804566

 

[bluesjnr]

You are exaggerating about what happens if someone films outside a police office.

I'm not about to clutter this thread with 1,000's (no exaggeration at all) of *PINAC auditors videos that will show that you are grossly uninformed in this area. Another fact coming your way is that tens of thousands of poundsof tax payers money has been paid out to these individuals in civil suits for wrongful arrests, inappropriate use of force and inappropriate use of stop and search powers.

Go an educate your self.

*Photography Is Not A Crime

People are still entitled to privacy and to not be filmed going in or out of a police office.

No they are not, not if you are filming them from a public space. You are grossly uniformed just like many police officers and senior police officers.

Someone filming people will deter some from being seen going into the office. That is why it is reasonably challenged.

I'm not arguing against that. It's how they are challenged that is the issue and the methods used by plod give great content for the auditors.

Getting the public to speak to the police is hard enough at times, without idiots filming and being nosey.

Agreed. There are other reasons why people don't want to speak to the police though and this thread will give you more than just a passing clue.

Public engagement, especially with groups such as LGBTQ and ethnic minorities, is important.

Again, you are grossly uninformed, it breaches impartiality rules and it took a high court ruling to get your lot out of silly costumes and visible support.

Of course right wing insensitive idiots will ridicule the police when they do engage.

There it is. Anybody who objects to this is a right wing insensitive idiot.

They want to remain in their perceived position as at the top of society, with others beneath them and they cannot stand equality.

You're talking about current and ex police officers here, right?

That is why there has been an outpouring of protest over DEI training, when an officer does get it wrong.

Much of which comes from the very mouths of officers. They must be, "right wing, insensitive idiots".

From the IOPC.

Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives have intensified significantly, highlighting a deep cultural divide within law enforcement agencies globally, particularly in the UK and US. While these initiatives are implemented by leadership to combat institutional bias, modernize policing, and accurately reflect the communities they serve, internal feedback and high-profile employment tribunals reveal widespread friction. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

 

[Rolfe]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2093374755541762404

And a comment...

https://twitter.com/x/status/2094004380181606756

 

[Darat]

I'm not seeing what is wrong with the letter in principle nor why what it talks about would mean "criminals rule our streets".

Of course it is all a load of crap, the police force will remain sexist, racist, classist and all the other -ists as it has been over the decades and non-white Brits will still be searched more often, arrested more often, prosecuted more often and serve longer sentences than white-Brits, non-white Brit kids will still be treated more harshly than white Brit kids, female non-white Brit kids will still be subject to more intimate searches and so on.

The letter is simply one more example of what I have commented on before - the police have learned the language of the media and they use that to obfuscate the truth.

Political correctness is not what is wrong with policing.

 

[The Common Potato]

My experience when I was a police officer and the number of neighbour/family disputes where once both side had been listened to, it was clear they were as bad as each other, but they only expected action to be taken against the other party. I would also suggest you follow Larry the Cat on twitter. Whoever runs it, is very good at reminding politicians about what they have said in the past, when they complain about what others are saying. The same politicians will be forgiving when a fellow party member says something and demand resignations when it is the opposition.

Sorry, Nessie. I was less than sober. I am pretty sure the police to an almost impossible job.

 

[Rolfe]

I'm not seeing what is wrong with the letter in principle nor why what it talks about would mean "criminals rule our streets".

Of course it is all a load of crap, the police force will remain sexist, racist, classist and all the other -ists as it has been over the decades and non-white Brits will still be searched more often, arrested more often, prosecuted more often and serve longer sentences than white-Brits, non-white Brit kids will still be treated more harshly than white Brit kids, female non-white Brit kids will still be subject to more intimate searches and so on.

The letter is simply one more example of what I have commented on before - the police have learned the language of the media and they use that to obfuscate the truth.

Political correctness is not what is wrong with policing. Thi

I agree with you to certain extent, I was mainly interested in posting the reply, which I thought was the tone that should have been set.

However, I disagree with the sentiment behind your last sentence. The police being subjected to indoctrination that certain classes of people are "vulnerable" and "marginalised" and must be treated with kid gloves is one thing that's wrong with policing. This has "taken" more with some individuals than others, but it has led to egregious behaviour being ignored and condoned if it's being carried out by a member of one of the holy marginalised groups, and when boring old ordinary people protest, they are the ones who are getting their collars felt.

 

[Nessie]

The police officer rapist Alan Greer was allowed to join Strathclyde in 2009, even though he had a previous conviction for an indecent phone call to a female. In 2009 the SNP had the policy of an extra 1000 police officers. Also in 2009 I attended the police college at Tulliallan. It was in lock down. The bar had been closed. We lost a days lessons because one night our instructors had been up all night dealing with yet another incident. They told us that numerous reports were being sent back to the forces to say recruits were not suitable, but they were all kept on to meet the SNP target. It is also possible a PC Cameron Ross, who raped women on the Isle of Lewis and Inverness, was recruited at the time.

 

[Rolfe]

In 2009? <sigh of despair>

 

[bluesjnr]

The police officer rapist Alan Greer was allowed to join Strathclyde in 2009, even though he had a previous conviction for an indecent phone call to a female. In 2009 the SNP had the policy of an extra 1000 police officers. Also in 2009 I attended the police college at Tulliallan. It was in lock down. The bar had been closed. We lost a days lessons because one night our instructors had been up all night dealing with yet another incident. They told us that numerous reports were being sent back to the forces to say recruits were not suitable, but they were all kept on to meet the SNP target. It is also possible a PC Cameron Ross, who raped women on the Isle of Lewis and Inverness, was recruited at the time.

Did the SNP manifesto require standards of recruitment to be dropped whereby rapists and criminals could join the force to meet the numbers?

Who was it that carried out the vetting and subsequent recruitment of candidates, was it the SNP?

Who was it that decided to keep all these unsuitable recruits, was it the SNP?

 

[The Common Potato]

follow Larry the Cat on twitter

I have to reset my X account again? Meh...

 

[Darat]

I agree with you to certain extent, I was mainly interested in posting the reply, which I thought was the tone that should have been set.

However, I disagree with the sentiment behind your last sentence. The police being subjected to indoctrination that certain classes of people are "vulnerable" and "marginalised" and must be treated with kid gloves is one thing that's wrong with policing. This has "taken" more with some individuals than others, but it has led to
egregious behaviour being ignored and condoned if it's being carried out by a member of one of the holy marginalised groups, and when boring old ordinary people protest, they are the ones who are getting their collars felt.

Sorry but again the statistics show your opinion to not be factually based, the only "holy group" in UK policing is white comfortable class Brits.

 

[Rolfe]

Statistics don't prove that numerous well-attested incidents didn't happen.

 

[Wudang]

Statistics don’t prove that outliers don’t happen?

 

[theprestige]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2093374755541762404

And a comment...

https://twitter.com/x/status/2094004380181606756

Needs an X login to read fully. Is there a primary source we can use?

 

[Rolfe]

Here are the images of the letter. It's not appalling, but it's wonk-speak waffle that doesn't say anything.