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The behaviour of UK police officers.

bluesjnr said:
This is bindingly obvious to anyone except existing and retired police officers. There is only one profile they will go after with enthusiasm. So much so, that despite the massive disparity in the number of times that that profile is stopped the, % of, "positive outcomes", is very close to the % of such outcomes within another profile. Can you guess what the former profile is and what profile the latter is? You've got two to choose from. You can? Good.

I say good because there is something else afoot within the police... let me explain. We're talking about hate crimes here.

66% of all people charged with such a crime belong to a distinct profile. The problem is that it's not the profile that gets such close attention as that profile described in my previous paragraph.

Y'see, despite one profile being considered as, largely, of criminal intent, leading to them being stopped more often than that another profile. That profile are considered really quite law abiding when it comes to hate crime.

According to the police, when out and about profiling innocent people, one profile will be at large committing the really bad crimes but, hardly ever, would they commit a hate crime.

No. I don't why the police arrive at such a skewed perspective neither? It's almost like they are a bunch of racists themselves, yet they see far right supremacists everywhere they look or listen.

What a shower.
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Not sure what any this has to do with what I was saying to Nessie, but okay.
 
The Common Potato said:
The UK needs a version of the 4th amendment.
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We do have one - and it goes all the way back to the first Magna Carta (albeit of course that only applied to the VIPs).

ETA: Had to double check which current article it is - it is article 8 of the Human Rights Act.
 
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theprestige said:
Not sure what any this has to do with what I was saying to Nessie, but okay.
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I quoted the sentence, from you, I was responding to.

You mentioned profiling, I mentioned profiling.

I was taking your point and extending it in support of you.

If you don't want to talk about profiling, and how the police are useless at it, then perhaps you shouldn't write about how you wish police profiled people better.

Were you to looking to comment further and, if so, is there anything else you need help with?
 
Darat said:
We do have one - and it goes all the way back to the first Magna Carta (albeit of course that only applied to the VIPs).
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catsmate said:
And yet the behaviour of USAian police is even worse.
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I think it was in Radly Balko's Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's Police Forces where I read that breaches of the 4th amendment are the most successfully constitutionally sued thing in the USA. The poor dears, worldwide, just can't help themselves. Karens!

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theprestige said:
... If the police are going to be out on the streets, looking for policing opportunities, I'd much rather they be on the lookout for this kind of thing, than for people walking around with sporting equipment.
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The police wish they had more time to patrol and look for instances like what happened to the busker. But, cut backs and the demands from the public that they act against hurty words, makes old fashioned street patrols a thing of the past.
 
Nessie said:
The public want the police to act when someone says hurty words against them and not like and not act when they say hurty words. Their double standards and hypocrisy are staggering.
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It's interesting, to me at any rate, to note that it is very difficult, according to online sources, to get any officer to attend break ins with many forces preferring to give a crime number and forgetting about it yet, stand outside a police station with a camera or complain that someone is recording you and see what happens.

Your continual disparagement of, "the public", is revealing. Was misanthropy rife amongst the force back in the day?
 
Nessie said:
The police wish they had more time to patrol and look for instances like what happened to the busker. But, cut backs and the demands from the public that they act against hurty words, makes old fashioned street patrols a thing of the past.
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Why don't they just give them a crime number when they report it? Y'know like they often do when people report break-ins.

If police don't want to act on such petty demands why do they? They seem to be at liberty to pick and choose which crime they'll turn up to, as we can see here with the Scottish police force.

"Police Scotland will no longer investigate every low level crime after the success of a pilot scheme.

A report says the new approach to certain reported offences where there is no CCTV or witnesses should be rolled across Scotland."
 
bluesjnr said:
It's interesting, to me at any rate, to note that it is very difficult, according to online sources, to get any officer to attend break ins with many forces preferring to give a crime number and forgetting about it yet, stand outside a police station with a camera or complain that someone is recording you and see what happens.

Your continual disparagement of, "the public", is revealing. Was misanthropy rife amongst the force back in the day?
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It is not the police's fault that they have insufficient resources to deal with every crime.

People do complain when they are filmed going in and out of police offices. It can cause staff problems as there are online sites that try to identify police officers to harass them.

Yes, the public and their antics are a source of a lot of ridicule by police officers. Much of that ridicule is justified.
 
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Nessie said:
It is not the police's fault that they have insufficient resources to deal with every crime.
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Then they should allocate those resources better. Film outside a police station and you'll get a minimum of two and up to 6 officers including senior officers surrounding you. Report a break in and you'll maybe see one "when they have the time"
Nessie said:
People do complain when they are filmed going in and out of police offices.
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Tough ◊◊◊◊. There is no expectation of privacy in public and visiting a police station doesn't change that.
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It can cause staff problems as there are online sites that try to identify police officers to harass them.
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That'll be criminal behaviour then and there are multiple laws that allow the police to tackle such behaviour. If it's a real problem then stop dressing up and start doing the job.

Impartiality breaching, performative gestures.
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Nessie said:
Yes, the public and their antics are a source of a lot of ridicule by police officers. Much of that ridicule is justified.
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I'll take that as a yes then.

Just looking at the above pictures while reading this earns that statement only one thing. :sdl:
 
Nessie said:
The public want the police to act when someone says hurty words against them and not like and not act when they say hurty words. Their double standards and hypocrisy are staggering.
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Evidence for that, Nessie? God, you exemplify everything that wrong with the police. You are a boor! You make assertive statements and expect the world to nod sagely and agree. 'Plod' has veritably spoken!

Here's a thing: I used to be a UKIPer but voted 'remain'; I have some 'Brexity books' etc. How does that fit into you idea of groupings? Just stop it with the 'hurty words', eh?
 
Nessie said:
The public want the police to act when someone says hurty words against them and not like and not act when they say hurty words. Their double standards and hypocrisy are staggering.
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No, I think you'll find the majority of the public don't want ANY interaction with the Police as a result of anyone saying hurty words no matter who says them and whom they are directed at.

Rather, I think the majority of the public would like the Police to do their ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ job, which is investigating and solving ACTUAL crimes... burglaries, assaults, sex-crimes, shoplifting, street thefts, car conversion etc.

The current situation in the UK is that if you say some hurty words on social media, and someone reports you for what you said, up to half a dozen cops turn up at your door and investigate or arrest you, but if you report that your house has been burgled, they give you a crime number for your insurance and no cop ever shows up to investigate.

These are same of the people and the innocuous things they have said or done, and that cops have shown up for.

Marcus Cumberbatch: Visited by police officers after posting a series of sharp, satirical videos on TikTok and X targeting local public spending.

Sarah Wilkinson: A political activist and online commentator, visited by counter-terrorism police officers over social media posts she made online regarding international political conflicts. She was briefly detained and had her electronic devices seized before being released.

Richard Evans: A local campaigner who was visited at his residence by officers after publishing a strongly worded post on Nextdoor criticizing the security and layout of a local immigration housing center

Alan Smith: A Facebook user who was visited by police and issued an official warning regarding a post that used dark, non-violent satire to mock local council members over a controversial low-emission zone traffic policy.

Harry Miller: A former police officer who was visited at his workplace by Police over gender-critical tweets; he subsequently mounted a successful Court of Appeal challenge that ruled the police's actions unlawfully interfered with his freedom of expression

Allison Pearson: A reporter being visited by police regarding a historical post on X. Police later clarified the interaction related to an alleged criminal communication offense rather than an NCHI, and the probe was subsequently dropped.

Julian Foulkes: A 71-year-old retired special constable detained by Police over a social media post addressing anti-Semitism after he engaged with an online account regarding pro-Palestinian demonstrations. His wife's underwear drawer was searched and his reading material criticized for being "very Brexity" He was a caution which was later rules unlawful.

David Wootton: A 40-year-old man who was arrested and convicted of posting hurty words. The police intervention occurred after he posted images on social media showing himself at a fancy dress party wearing Halloween costume mocking the Manchester Arena bomber.

Darren Brady: A military veteran who was visited and arrested by Police officers after he shared an online meme that re-arranged transgender pride flags into the shape of a swastika

James Goddard: A political activist who was visited and arrested by Police. for a non-violent video posted to social media that contained hurty words directed at a public official.

Richard Williams: Arrested, charged and convicted for posting content onto a public Facebook group that encouraged people to join protests and sharing a derogatory meme concerning migrants.

Billy Thompson: A arrested by police after posting an offensive comment on Facebook directed toward local police officers handling public demonstrations. He was sentenced to 12 weeks in prison.

Maxie Allen and Rosalind Levine: A couple who were and cuffed and taken away in front of their two daughters and held in a police cell for eight hours for posting critisicm (not even hurty words) towards a headmaster on a private WhatsApp group chat.

There are others too that I have bothers checking about Helen Jones, Deborah Anderson, Kate Scottow, Paul Busetti, Leigh Cooper, Stephen Watson... and of course, Graham Linehan

The process is the punishment.
 
theprestige said:
If UK police simply cannot help but accost any likely-looking twat they see walking down the street, I'd much rather they focus their Copper Gaze on people like this ◊◊◊◊-face:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ImTheMainCharacter/comments/1w0rurc/mc_harasses_pianist

There's no reason, in a civilized society, that a licensed busker should have to set up his own video documentation, and face off himself, against offensive passerby. Where's the busybody cop when society actually needs him?

A cop doesn't like the look of a baseball bat, but I'm here to tell you the look of that haircut and smirk and swagger is a much better indicator of imminent sociopathy. Sometimes the egregiousness of the behavior of UK cops is best illustrated by its absence.
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Twatty behaviour, for sure, but not UK.

Sydney, Australia:
 
smartcooky said:
No, I think you'll find the majority of the public don't want ANY interaction with the Police as a result of anyone saying hurty words no matter who says them and whom they are directed at.

Rather, I think the majority of the public would like the Police to do their ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ job, which is investigating and solving ACTUAL crimes... burglaries, assaults, sex-crimes, shoplifting, street thefts, car conversion etc.

The current situation in the UK is that if you say some hurty words on social media, and someone reports you for what you said, up to half a dozen cops turn up at your door and investigate or arrest you, but if you report that your house has been burgled, they give you a crime number for your insurance and no cop ever shows up to investigate.

These are same of the people and the innocuous things they have said or done, and that cops have shown up for.

Marcus Cumberbatch: Visited by police officers after posting a series of sharp, satirical videos on TikTok and X targeting local public spending.

Sarah Wilkinson: A political activist and online commentator, visited by counter-terrorism police officers over social media posts she made online regarding international political conflicts. She was briefly detained and had her electronic devices seized before being released.

Richard Evans: A local campaigner who was visited at his residence by officers after publishing a strongly worded post on Nextdoor criticizing the security and layout of a local immigration housing center

Alan Smith: A Facebook user who was visited by police and issued an official warning regarding a post that used dark, non-violent satire to mock local council members over a controversial low-emission zone traffic policy.

Harry Miller: A former police officer who was visited at his workplace by Police over gender-critical tweets; he subsequently mounted a successful Court of Appeal challenge that ruled the police's actions unlawfully interfered with his freedom of expression

Allison Pearson: A reporter being visited by police regarding a historical post on X. Police later clarified the interaction related to an alleged criminal communication offense rather than an NCHI, and the probe was subsequently dropped.

Julian Foulkes: A 71-year-old retired special constable detained by Police over a social media post addressing anti-Semitism after he engaged with an online account regarding pro-Palestinian demonstrations. His wife's underwear drawer was searched and his reading material criticized for being "very Brexity" He was a caution which was later rules unlawful.

David Wootton: A 40-year-old man who was arrested and convicted of posting hurty words. The police intervention occurred after he posted images on social media showing himself at a fancy dress party wearing Halloween costume mocking the Manchester Arena bomber.

Darren Brady: A military veteran who was visited and arrested by Police officers after he shared an online meme that re-arranged transgender pride flags into the shape of a swastika

James Goddard: A political activist who was visited and arrested by Police. for a non-violent video posted to social media that contained hurty words directed at a public official.

Richard Williams: Arrested, charged and convicted for posting content onto a public Facebook group that encouraged people to join protests and sharing a derogatory meme concerning migrants.

Billy Thompson: A arrested by police after posting an offensive comment on Facebook directed toward local police officers handling public demonstrations. He was sentenced to 12 weeks in prison.

Maxie Allen and Rosalind Levine: A couple who were and cuffed and taken away in front of their two daughters and held in a police cell for eight hours for posting critisicm (not even hurty words) towards a headmaster on a private WhatsApp group chat.

There are others too that I have bothers checking about Helen Jones, Deborah Anderson, Kate Scottow, Paul Busetti, Leigh Cooper, Stephen Watson... and of course, Graham Linehan

The process is the punishment.
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And still it seems to be taboo on this thread to mention Stuart Campbell, detained for 15 hours and all his devices seized for a tweet that read "[female journalist writing for well-known red-top tabloid] is an absolute disgrace" some years ago. Then had police banging on his door at two in the morning a few weeks ago over a couple of other entirely legal tweets about someone else.

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