Merged Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Poem]

You have not shown, to the best of my recollection, that the material that "would be refused classification by the BBFC and would therefore be illegal to supply or distribute offline (on DVD or Blu-Ray)" IS legal to supply or distribute on DVD or Blu-Ray in the US, and you have not shown that it is any more regulated online in the UK than it is in the US.

Which part of Ashcroft v. The Free Speech Coalition is in any way opaque to you?

Max Hardcore Wikipedia:
Based on Max Extreme 4, the city of Los Angeles in 1998 charged him with child pornography and distribution of obscenity. That the actress was over the age of 18 was not disputed; charges were brought because the actress was portraying a character who was underage. Just before the case was brought to trial in 2002, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition) that the statute prohibiting adults from portraying children in films and books was unconstitutional. Based on this ruling, the child pornography charges against Little were dismissed.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Based on this ruling, the child pornography charges against Little were dismissed.

Makes sense, because the content in question was not child pornography under US law.


Is the UK ignoring content that is illegal under UK law?

 

[Poem]

Makes sense, because the content in question was not child pornography under US law.

Drawing attention to the before and after of Ashcroft v. FSC being the point.

Is the UK ignoring content that is illegal under UK law?

The UK isn't prosecuting the producers, distributers and consumers of such online content.

 

[Poem]

The Fish Rots from the Head Down

 

[Lithrael]

Let the record show that the Max Hardcore guy did in fact end up going to prison.

Ashcroft v Free Speech featured obscenity laws being struck down due to overly broad language that could easily be used to stifle free expression.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition

 

[Poem]

Let the record show that the Max Hardcore guy did in fact end up going to prison.

Not for simulated child porn, but for acts such as extreme fisting, forced vomiting, and urination.

 

[arthwollipot]

The Fish Rots from the Head Down

A classic rephrasing of the Slippery Slope Fallacy, crafted specifically to invoke disgust.

You won't get far with rhetorical tricks here, Poem.

 

[theprestige]

The Fish Rots from the Head Down

Have you ever actually watched a fish rot?

 

[Poem]

Have you ever actually watched a fish rot?

No. A proverb doesn't need to be scientifically accurate.
You dodged #5,739 didn't you?

 

[Poem]

A classic rephrasing of the Slippery Slope Fallacy, crafted specifically to invoke disgust.

How so?

You won't get far with rhetorical tricks here, Poem.

Since you don't understand what the saying means then this is irrelevant.
That the US Supreme Court struck down provisions like 'appears to be' and 'conveys the impression of' is a clear case of said fish rot. Max Hardcore should have gone to prison for producing and distributing CSAM.

 

[Poem]

Which is why I value much more highly those documentarians who make an effort to be as neutral as possible, and take steps to mitigate their bias in the work.

If most people are consuming porn (they are), then statistically the predominant biases will be pro-porn. If the Beyond Fantasy film is also biased (it is), then that will merely be a correction (to some degree).

Chances are that a 'neutral' documentary about the porn industry will be made by porn consumers. Porn consumers won't want to lose the easy-access status quo they current enjoy (euphamism). Cleaning up internet porn would require regulation and cost lots of money. That might imperil easy access.

 

[arthwollipot]

How so?

How so what? How so that it's a logical fallacy, or how so that it's used specifically to invoke disgust?

 

[Poem]

How so what? How so that it's a logical fallacy, or how so that it's used specifically to invoke disgust?

The saying 'Fish rot from the head down' is not about slippery slopes.

 

[theprestige]

Porn consumers won't want to lose the easy-access status quo they current enjoy (euphamism).

What's the euphemism for?

What's the unpleasant truth you're trying sugarcoat, with the word "enjoy"?

What are you really talking about ml

 

[Poem]

What's the euphemism for?

What's the unpleasant truth you're trying sugarcoat, with the word "enjoy"?

What are you really talking about ml

Who is ml? Enjoy means masturbate to. I didn't say it was an unpleasant truth - I was just alluding to what is actually occurring. When you align that with the roleplay content being discussed - well, it should be a wake-up call.

You continue to ignore my posts.

 

[Poem]

Where's the Australian court cases, finding such content illegal?

Not Australia, but the UK - the BBFC:
“Parity on and offline is paramount and our research suggests that there is broad support among pornography users in the UK for aligning the regulation of online pornography with the standards already applied offline. What’s illegal to distribute offline, should be illegal to distribute online.

Darat has posted that roleplay porn is prosecuted in the UK but, as this clearly states, it's not happening online.

 

[Poem]

Where's the Australian court cases, finding such content illegal?

Again, not Australia but the UK:

Can you cite any cases where anyone in the UK has been prosecuted?

I found a case where parents where judged to have sexually abused their own daughter by showing her porn.

You are joking?

Somerset man found with more 100,000 indecent images of children

Adam Dodden is given a suspended sentence for amassing a huge amount of child sexual abuse images.

www.bbc.co.uk

Rapist John Barney jailed over child pornography images

A convicted rapist serving a 10-year sentence is jailed for possessing child pornography.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ashley Payne: Man jailed for 'horrifying' child sex abuse images

Police say they recovered 18,000 images and videos from Ashley Payne's electronic devices.

www.bbc.co.uk

Go to any news site that covers the UK and you will find hundreds of such reports.

I pushed back on Darat's claim as it does not explicitly say roleplay porn was found - but the law is clear - it is illegal.

 

[arthwollipot]

The saying 'Fish rot from the head down' is not about slippery slopes.

Yes it is. It's saying that the rot starts at the head, but it spreads through the whole fish. The analogy is that the damage to society starts at CSAM, but it spreads to encompass all forms of pornography. It's textbook slippery slope.

 

[Poem]

Yes it is. It's saying that the rot starts at the head, but it spreads through the whole fish. The analogy is that the damage to society starts at CSAM, but it spreads to encompass all forms of pornography. It's textbook slippery slope.

I could nave been clearer.

The head (the Supreme Court in the US) went rotten (argued that provisions under the CPPA were overbroad) with the result that child roleplay porn became legal. One moment it was child pornography then the next it wasn't (viz. Max Hardcore).

 

[Poem]

Interesting that there is a strong Christian influence in the current US administration with such figures as J.D. Vance, Pete Hegseth, Pam Bondi, Russell Vought and Paula White-Cain. Also, there is:

The White House Faith Office:
A West Wing entity focused on religious outreach and policy implementation, heavily staffed by evangelical and conservative Christian leaders.
The Religious Liberty Commission: Established to review federal rules and advance protections heavily advocated by traditionalist Christian organizations.
Agency Faith Liaisons:
Centers for faith have been established across federal departments to coordinate policy related to religious freedom and expression.

All this apparent Christian spirituality presiding over a libertarian porn industry that glamorises what looks like child sex abuse. Pretty astonishing.