Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[JesseCuster]

Okay, quickly moving onto Exercise 4.

Going back to Exercise no.2., consider the following:

1. You are fed up of Go-Pro-ing alongside your friend's test drive of a new car. So, you invest in an arial drone that takes videos. You find you still need to 'be' there, despite being remote, in order to keep track of this one car so that it appears as a still image, against the moving background <(i.e., geo-'stationary').

Oh come on. This is taking the piss. It’s bad enough that you refuse to define “geopositioned” as youre using it, now you’re making up new meanings for geostationary? Geostationary refers to a type of orbit, it’s got nothing to do with “moving backgrounds”.

Is this really what you think the “stationary” in geostationary orbit means?

 

[wollery]

Here endeth lesson no. 4.

I think I can say, with an extremely high degree of certainty, that you are not teaching anybody here anything at all.

The main reason being that everybody else, JesseCuster included, knows far more about it than you do.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

The TV signals were relayed to Earth via a geopositioned car?

So that's what the GP in Jeep stands for.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Please remind us all which details would those be?

Everything

 

[Vixen]

Yup, just checked and the financial year in Finland is the same as the calendar year, rather than our daft "system".

Another misconception.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

So that's what the GP in Jeep stands for.

I always just thought it stood for "geep"

 

[Vixen]

Oh come on. This is taking the piss. It’s bad enough that you refuse to define “geopositioned” as youre using it, now you’re making up new meanings for geostationary? Geostationary refers to a type of orbit, it’s got nothing to do with “moving backgrounds”.

Is this really what you think the “stationary” in geostationary orbit means?

I am asking the questions this time. But as JayUtah has answered for you, here's a couple more:

1. If the first satellite-tv broadcast (to the general public) was via Telstar in 1962 (well done, Reformed_Offlian!), then why didn't NASA use a satellite (for example, its Explorer range) for Apollo11?

Statement in support: filming was done by a handheld Westinghaus Short Scan TV (SSTV) camera. It relayed images of 10 frames per second, which were picked up - it is claimed - by two receivers in Australia and one in California, due to Canberra being most accessible to where Apollo11 was situated on the Moon, then decoded by an SSTV decoder (all not dissimilar to Logie Baird-s 1926 television system) into images then refined by NASA to send out to tv stations.

NASA claims this Apollo11 telemetry film was erased and the original no longer exists.

 

[Trebuchet]

Question for Vixen: if you are on the moon, how long does it take the earth to transit the lunar sky?

 

[JesseCuster]

I am asking the questions this time. But as JayUtah has answered for you, here's a couple more:

1. If the first satellite-tv broadcast (to the general public) was via Telstar in 1962 (well done, Reformed_Offlian!), then why didn't NASA use a satellite (for example, its Explorer range) for Apollo11?

Probably because they didn’t need a satellite, there was line of sight communication available between the moon and earth as has been explained multiple times.

What do you think is the correct answer? Why wouldn’t transmitting the footage directly from the CSM to earth have worked?

 

[JesseCuster]

I am asking the questions this time.

But you’re not explaining anything to me. Im still none the wiser as to what your objections are to transmitting TV footage directly from the CSM to earth. You’re vacillating between objections relating to what kind of orbit around the moon was need to capture the footage, how it was transmitted via a non-geopositioned satellite (I assume this is a reference to the CSM, but who knows), and something to do with satellites in orbit around the earth.

You clearly have no coherent argument to put forward, otherwise you would do so in plain English.

 

[Vixen]

Question for Vixen: if you are on the moon, how long does it take the earth to transit the lunar sky?

That's something you can look up.

 

[Vixen]

But you’re not explaining anything to me. Im still none the wiser as to what your objections are to transmitting TV footage directly from the CSM to earth.

Don't change the goalposts. You were demanding to know what 'geopositioning' is.

 

[JayUtah]

That's something you can look up.

It's also something a person of ordinary intelligence would know right away.

 

[JayUtah]

Don't change the goalposts. You were demanding to know what 'geopositioning' is.

No. We were demanding to know what you thought "geopositioning" is. You finally giving a correct answer is not the same as explaining what you thought you meant by a "non-repositioned satellite."

 

[steenkh]

If the first satellite-tv broadcast (to the general public) was via Telstar in 1962 (well done, Reformed_Offlian!), then why didn't NASA use a satellite (for example, its Explorer range) for Apollo11?

Why on Earth should they, when it works perfectly without?

 

[JayUtah]

I am asking the questions this time.

No.

You were asked to explain in small steps your reasoning. No part of the exercise set you up as teacher. You're patently unqualified to teach anyone about Apollo or space.

If the first satellite-tv broadcast (to the general public) was via Telstar in 1962 (well done, Reformed_Offlian!), then why didn't NASA use a satellite (for example, its Explorer range) for Apollo11?

Satellites were part of the MSFN, as previously explained. However they were used only to relay signals to other ground stations after the signal had already been received directly by the major ground stations.

You wrongly believed a geostationary communications relay was required. No such satellite is required, as has been patently explained to you several times.

Further you conflated that idea with Allen and Weaver's dishonest claim that the only way to get lunar orbit photography of surface features was via a stationary camera platform. You have now agreed that this is not required, but you will not repudiate the claim.

NASA claims this Apollo11 telemetry film was erased and the original no longer exists.

Asked and answered.

 

[Smock]

Don't change the goalposts. You were demanding to know what 'geopositioning' is.

And nothing you have posted has explained what you meant by 'geopositioning' in regards to trasnmission of content from the moon.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

It's also something a person of ordinary intelligence would know right away.

Or anyone who had read the last few pages of this thread and had even the most basic comprehension of English.

 

[JesseCuster]

Don't change the goalposts. You were demanding to know what 'geopositioning' is.

Does it really require hundreds or thousands of words and a series of multiple choice questions to answer the question?

You would make for a lousy teacher.

Are you incapable of explaining in plain language what you mean by geopositioned? I think you are incapable of answering the question, which is why you’re refusing to and instead trying to play silly games with this line of irrelevant questioning about GoPro cameras, sextants, pocket watchers, etc.

 

[threadworm]

why didn't NASA use a satellite (for example, its Explorer range) for Apollo11?

Satellties were used to transmit the Apollo 11 EVA around the world. After it had been sent to one specific dish pointing directly at the moon.