Merged Arday life and death

[Vixen]

Clearly they didn't. Nor did they detect it when the thesis was examined, or earlier, as they should have - then none of this would have happened.

Unintentional plagiarism is still plagiarism. If the material was properly attributed, it could be questionable whether the thesis represented a significant original contribution to knowledge. That would be very embarrassing to the university that awarded the degree, especially when the former student already has an academic post.

The plagiarism was throughout the text, including the discussion and interpretation sections.

Claims a random bogger. In any exam candidates are allowed to make mistakes and still pass.

 

[Vixen]

Arday's entire career was premised on the idea that race very much is a thing in the UK. Was he wrong?

I dare say Cambridge et al saw Arday as an under-represented demographic so allowed for his lack of a conventional CV. That doesn't mean he didn't get in on (perceived) merit. You'll find it is your 'glowing' references that get you in. In the UK it really is a case of not what you know but who you know.

 

[Elaedith]

Claims a random bogger. In any exam candidates are allowed to make mistakes and still pass.

The Turnitin report is provided.

 

[lionking]

I dare say Cambridge et al saw Arday as an under-represented demographic so allowed for his lack of a conventional CV. That doesn't mean he didn't get in on (perceived) merit. You'll find it is your 'glowing' references that get you in. In the UK it really is a case of not what you know but who you know.

It sounds like you are happy with UK’s class system as a means of recruitment. Class is defined by “who you know”.

 

[Darat]

My point is: a lot will think it IS a Mickey Mouse degree if you got it from Cambridge, after this debacle.

Not over here, doesn't matter what the degree is if it carries the imprint of Cambridge or Oxford (unless you are going into academia). You'll get interviewers going weak kneed because someone went to Eton and then Oxbridge.

 

[angrysoba]

There is nothing inherently special about Cambridge other than it is traditionally ranked top or near top in research rankings. Anyone can get in with the right UCAS grades and/or entry requirements. The university was impressed by Arday's knowledge of how to facilitate social inclusion and mentoring amongst ordinary working class people and that he was articulate and could connect with people. Once you have your foot in the door at entry level it doesn't matter where you come from or whether you only got two GCSE's.

He didn't get in through UCAS! He had a PhD from Liverpool John Moores which, not to besmirch them as they ranked in the top....1000, is not the usual route to a professorship at Cambridge. And yes, two GCSEs in textitles and PE. Sorry, but "mentoring" is not an academic subject. Talk about setting the guy up, and if he doesn't know how to write a report without plagiarising, maybe he shouldn't be at a top research institution in the world.

 

[Rolfe]

Arday's entire career was premised on the idea that race very much is a thing in the UK. Was he wrong?

Largely, yes.

I've been thinking about all this "racism" angle. People in England are simply not as racist as Arday was making them out to be. Certainly not against black people who might be perceived as belonging to the "Windrush generation". Everybody is used to hard-working black people all over the place, especially in London. And it's not just nurses and bus drivers either, it's doctors and other professionals. If you present well, are polite and well-spoken and are competent at your job, nobody much is going to care if you're as black as the ace of spades. (The "racism" being condemned at the moment isn't against people like Jason Arday, it's against Moslem people who import Moslem values and actively resist integrating into English society.)

Yes you will encounter the occasional racist, but most people take people as they find them. The idea that black people face a constant daily barrage of hate is simply nonsense. The idea that a black university professor who was competent in his subject would have masked men with knives going after him, and people sending pigs' heads to his parents, simply for having his job, is frankly ludicrous.

The attitudes Jason Arday was propagating, that England is populated by a mass of people who hate black-skinned people simply for being black-skinned and are prepared to attack them physically for no other reason is a gross insult to English society and is liable to damage race relations significantly.

 

[angrysoba]

Not over here, doesn't matter what the degree is if it carries the imprint of Cambridge or Oxford (unless you are going into academia). You'll get interviewers going weak kneed because someone went to Eton and then Oxbridge.

Yeah, I doubt that interviews are going to be saying, "Cambridge? Isn't that the place that Jason Ardy was at? In the shredder it goes!"

 

[Darat]

Largely, yes.

I've been thinking about all this "racism" angle. People in England are simply not as racist as Arday was making them out to be. Certainly not against black people who might be perceived as belonging to the "Windrush generation". Everybody is used to hard-working black people all over the place, especially in London. And it's not just nurses and bus drivers either, it's doctors and other professionals. If you present well, are polite and well-spoken and are competent at your job, nobody much is going to care if you're as black as the ace of spades. (The "racism" being condemned at the moment isn't against people like Jason Arday, it's against Moslem people who import Moslem values and actively resist integrating into English society.)

Yes you will encounter the occasional racist, but most people take people as they find them. The idea that black people face a constant daily barrage of hate is simply nonsense. The idea that a black university professor who was competent in his subject would have masked men with knives going after him, and people sending pigs' heads to his parents, simply for having his job, is frankly ludicrous.

The attitudes Jason Arday was propagating, that England is populated by a mass of people who hate black-skinned people simply for being black-skinned and are prepared to attack them physically for no other reason is a gross insult to English society and is liable to damage race relations significantly.

You mean apart from the institutional racism in our entire justice system? Or in employment? Or in education?

https://www.tuc.org.uk/news/shocking-increase-explicit-racism-work-recent-years-new-tuc-research-reveals

https://www.smf.co.uk/commentary_podcasts/racial-discrimination-in-schools/

And of course the increase in racially motivated attacks on Black brits.

 

[Rolfe]

Black people who are well integrated into English society, who are well-spoken and polite, who are holding down good jobs? These people may expect to be attacked with knives simply for the colour of their skin? Really?

 

[theprestige]

Race is not a thing in the UK unlike America. The defining barriers to entry in the UK is class. Lots of upper class twits get into Oxbridge after years of extremely intensive and expensive schooling from age 8, all geared towards passing the entrance exams, which - I don't know if it is still the case - often required things like classics and latin, which the average working class or even middle class Brit did not study until secondary level.

Is that where they learn about five bees to a quarter?

 

[theprestige]

I dare say Cambridge et al saw Arday as an under-represented demographic so allowed for his lack of a conventional CV.

I mean, yeah. That's exactly what Cambridge is being accused of doing, here.

 

[Vixen]

It sounds like you are happy with UK’s class system as a means of recruitment. Class is defined by “who you know”.

It's just the way it is. In the professions, which claim to be open to all, I discovered passing endless exams in accountancy (which you are unlikely to pass without attending expensive courses [luckily your employer pays], once fully qualified, it's not the end of it. To become chartered you next have to get a whole bunch of 'relevant' people to nominate you. Now, I was working in an industry surrounded by fellow professionals but the idea that anyone can enter just by study and hard work is a myth. You won't find an already chartered nominator willing to fill in the forms unless they actually know you. So academia and the professions are very incestuous. There is a claim going around that one of Arday's jealous colleagues was leaking derogatory stuff to Cofnas and the mass media about Arday.

 

[Nessie]

Of course it doesn't. But luckily, unlike in your deranged fantasies, the press CAN'T arrest someone and force them into answering in an investigation. It only takes a "no comment" or even just not answering an email to assert your right to silence. I don't know in what delusional alternate universe you live, where someone asking for a comment in a polite email is violating your right to silence from the get-go. Is the press some kind of Holy Inquisition in that universe, or what?

I mean, even for the police, they ARE allowed to ask. Right to silence just means you don't have to answer. (And in the USA it only applies to criminal lawsuits. If you invoke the 5th in a CIVIL lawsuit, the jury are actually instructed to take that as an admission of guilt.)

TL;DR: find some other canard to keep hammering on, will ya? This one ain't impressing anyone, and it's getting boring

Like, at least come up with some sovereign citizen delusions for a change. Those are at least funny

The issue, which you clearly did not know about, is how often he was being contacted and the hounding he experienced. The media have hounded numerous people over they years, who have gone on to take their own lives. You, like so many here, think that Ardey was the subject of maybe a couple of polite e-mails and that was about it. But there was a pile on and journalists and others kept on contacting him, despite, from the very start, he had made it very clear, via the police and a law firm, he did not want to speak to anyone.

I have made a very simple point that remarkably, may here just do not get and so, like you they create huge straw men.

 

[Nessie]

You have the right to keep silent yourself. You don't have the right to silence your critics.

You do have the right to have your critics stop contacting you.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

The issue, which you clearly did not know about, is how often he was being contacted and the hounding he experienced. The media have hounded numerous people over they years, who have gone on to take their own lives. You, like so many here, think that Ardey was the subject of maybe a couple of polite e-mails and that was about it. But there was a pile on and journalists and others kept on contacting him, despite, from the very start, he had made it very clear, via the police and a law firm, he did not want to speak to anyone.

I have made a very simple point that remarkably, may here just do not get and so, like you they create huge straw men.

That's not a strawman. It's literally pointing out that you have no clue what you're talking about. If you want to complain about harassment, then do just that: claim harassment. Going on and on about the "right to silence" is just irrelevant nonsense. The press CAN'T force him or anyone else to not be silent. Even the cops can't.

 

[Ziggurat]

Largely, yes.

If that's true, then his academic career is a fraud even without the plagiarism.

Once again, Vixen has not thought through the implications of her own position.

 

[Ziggurat]

I dare say Cambridge et al saw Arday as an under-represented demographic so allowed for his lack of a conventional CV. That doesn't mean he didn't get in on (perceived) merit. You'll find it is your 'glowing' references that get you in. In the UK it really is a case of not what you know but who you know.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about what he studied and what he wrote. It was largely about race.

 

[Nessie]

That's not a strawman. It's literally pointing out that you have no clue what you're talking about. If you want to complain about harassment, then do just that: claim harassment. Going on and on about the "right to silence" is just irrelevant nonsense. The press CAN'T force him or anyone else to not be silent. Even the cops can't.

The press and police are often complained about, for harassing people into making comment and not respecting the right to silence. Ardey complained about being harassed to the police and to a lawyer. Harassment by the press, has led to suicides.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

The press and police are often complained about, for harassing people into making comment and not respecting the right to silence. Ardey complained about being harassed to the police and to a lawyer. Harassment by the press, has led to suicides.

You don't contradict anything I've said: if you want to complain about harassment, then do just that. Complain about harassment. Going on and on about some "right to silence" that the press already CAN'T violate in the first place, is just nonsense.