Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

[Skeptical Greg]

The app has since been removed after it was flagged to Apple.

He did say "were"..

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

Slightly OT but yes, we are active in the BDSM community and a shame fetish isn't uncommon.

I don't doubt the existence of that fetish, but I'm guessing even you wouldn't make me walk naked through town like in GOT. If nothing else, it's illegal. I don't have a fetish about going to jail and on a registry

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

An investigation by The Independent has revealed that AI nudification apps generating explicit imagery and depictions of sexual assault were freely downloadable on Apple's App Store.

AI and its lack of safeguards is a whole other thread on a whole different forum. We'd probably even agree if you posted that there. But the porn industry isn't writing those AI things, nor has the data centres for it. Legalporno isn't paying people to write AI. They're paying them to **** in front of a camera.

And frankly, most of that just boils down to Elon Musk and his hyping his AI for generating nudes and *ahem* milk on the face. And not putting any safeguards on it. You can do it, and people have done it, with Elon himself in those pics. Those other AI apps are just dumb frontends that generate prompts for it, in case someone is too uninformed to just go on Grok and write their own porn prompt.

And I've already agreed that I think that Elon is such a complete dickhead, that scalping him would count as a circumcision

But yeah, if you want to argue against Elon, go for it. Generalizing it as "rape" about the whole industry is a whole other thing, though.

 

[catsmate]

I don't doubt the existence of that fetish, but I'm guessing even you wouldn't make me walk naked through town like in GOT. If nothing else, it's illegal. I don't have a fetish about going to jail and on a registry

That would depend on the city. There's at least one website that does that.....

 

[arthwollipot]

He did say "were"..

The point is that these apps were reported, evaluated, and removed, which was the correct and appropriate thing to do. This is an example of the system working, not of the system not working.

 

[Poem]

No, it doesn't. Your concept of what constitutes child sexual abuse in porn is deeply flawed. We've been over this.

Like I said, I regret opening the sidebar. I didn't use "spamming" for your engagement. Of course you misunderstood me.

There's other cultural phenomena that do more to normalize sexual abuse than fictional depictions of sex do. Look at cultures where rape is actually normalized.

Okay, I'll leave it up to you (to leave off this), but I have zero idea what your:

Instead you're falling all over yourself, trying to make excuses for a porn industry that's spamming undifferentiated kinks to children without restraint.

means.

 

[Poem]

Countries with some of the toughest laws on the simulation of child porn (adults imitating the underage) are Canada, Italy, Germany, Spain, Australia and the UK.

Canada (Canadian Criminal Code):
The law criminalizes the making, distribution, possession, and even the knowing access to such simulated material with severe penalties carrying mandatory minimum prison sentences (10 years for possession).

Australia:
Australia enforces a zero-tolerance policy where any sexualized depiction, fictional representation, or age-play styling that portrays someone under 18 is strictly prohibited. (Wikipedia)

Is such material available in Australia? Here's Collective Shout (Submission to the Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee Inquiry into the Australian Film and Literature Classification Scheme):

"The publishers claim the girls are 18+ years but the content and images deliberately make them appear younger. Words like 'tiny', 'tight' and 'tender' are used to describe body parts. The girls are often in pigtails and wearing braces… [This material is] imported and given mainstream display. Distributors of this pornography have shown complete contempt for the system."

Regulators (such as the eSafety Commission) do not dispute that mainstream sites contain content violating Australian standards.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

"The publishers claim the girls are 18+ years but the content and images deliberately make them appear younger. Words like 'tiny', 'tight' and 'tender' are used to describe body parts. The girls are often in pigtails and wearing braces… [This material is] imported and given mainstream display. Distributors of this pornography have shown complete contempt for the system."

None of which are illegal for 18+ women, so I don't know why your mind jumps straight to it meaning children. There are adults wearing braces, and you can see adult women with pigtails. I mean, Harley Quinn famously wore pigtails in the movies, and nowhere in the history of that character was it even implied that she's below 18. Hell, even braided ones, just go to Octoberfest and you'll see some.

 

[Poem]

None of which are illegal for 18+ women,

What about my citations of Canadian and Australian law is unclear to you? It's the same in the UK and the other countries I cited.

Where it is legal - and where much of this material is produced - is the USA.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

What about my citations of Canadian and Australian law is unclear to you? It's the same in the UK and the other countries I cited.

Where it is legal - and where much of this material is produced - is the USA.

No, I meant that there's no rule that an adult can't wear braces or pigtails. In fact, my dentist would like to have a few words with you if you think he shouldn't put braces on adults. It's not something reserved for children only. So the implication that it's simulating children is invalid.

 

[Poem]

No, I meant that there's no rule that an adult can't wear braces or pigtails. In fact, my dentist would like to have a few words with you if you think he shouldn't put braces on adults. It's not something reserved for children only. So the implication that it's simulating children is invalid.

And that is worth mentioning?

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

And that is worth mentioning?

It is, when you used those in an argument that it means they're simulating children.

 

[Poem]

It is, when you used those in an argument that it means they're simulating children.

I stated those countries' laws and they are crystal clear...so what is your problem? They aren't interested in such a line of reasoning.

 

[Poem]

It is not a stretch to describe the USA as a pariah given that much or most of the commercially produced studio porn (of this type) is produced there.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

You still haven't shown that sporting pigtails or braces actually means they're flaunting the law. The only source claiming that is Collective Shout, (in)famous for claiming BS, and no actual lawmaker or really anyone else agreed enough to even try to cover the case. So, no, it's not something established as breaking the law. And that would be necessary before you claim that the USA is deliberately producing that, much less being some kind of pariah for it.

 

[Poem]

You still haven't shown that sporting pigtails or braces actually means they're flaunting the law. The only source claiming that is Collective Shout, (in)famous for claiming BS, and no actual lawmaker agreed enough to even try to cover the case. So, no, it's not something established as breaking the law. And that would be necessary before you claim that the USA is deliberately producing that, much less being some kind of pariah for it.

The phrase used is zero tolerance (if we are focusing on Australia). It is not like the US where you have to jump though hoops to curtail free speech. If you want to establish they (Collective Shout) are talking BS...well, you haven't done so.

No, this is a crystal clear example of rape culture - countries outlawing CSAM...but it's nevertheless awash on mainstream sites.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

The phrase used is zero tolerance (if we are focusing on Australia). It is not like the US where you have to jump though hoops to curtail free speech. If you want to establish they (Collective Shout) are talking BS...well, you haven't done so.

No, this is a crystal clear example of rape culture - countries outlawing CSAM...but it's nevertheless awash on mainstream sites.

No, it's not, no matter how hard you flail. If it were that slam-dunk of a case, they could just take it to a court and have it ruled as illegal. They didn't even try. Tells you everything that you need to know.

Zero tolerance doesn't mean automatically agreeing with every idiotic accusation. It still means the accuser showing that it actually is a case of that. Not just that some 30 years old actress has braces.

And no, I don't have to disprove your dumb assertions. You (or CS) make the positive claim that it's breaking the law, it's your burden of proof. You don't get to claim that someone somewhere bred pigs that fly if nobody examined every pig, and every remote village house on a mountain that might have a pig, and showed you that none actually fly

 

[Joe Random]

All this porn might lead to something truly salacious. Like dancing ...

 

[Poem]

No, it's not, no matter how hard you flail. If it were that slam-dunk of a case, they could just take it to a court and have it ruled as illegal. They didn't. Tells you everything that you need to know.

That it's rape culture. Zero tolerance is what it is and it is that way because the aim is protecting children.

Zero tolerance doesn't mean automatically going along with every idiotic accusation. It still means the accuser showing that it actually is a case of that. Not just that some 30 years old actress has braces.

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And no, I don't have to disprove your dumb assertions. You (or CS) make the positive claim that it's breaking the law, it's your burden of proof. You don't get to claim that someone somewhere bred pigs that fly if nobody examined every pig, and every remote village house on a mountain that might have a pig, and showed you that none actually fly

I think it is time to get real - what are you suggesting, that the porn producers etc cited above (4,381) are lying?

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

#4,381

I've read it. It's just more of the same BS. Barely legal still means legal. Just like for everything else. Just like 0.079 BAC is still legal to drive in the USA, when the DWI limit is 0.08. Just like having barely just turned 21 IS legal to drink. Barely legal IS legal.

I think it is time to get real - what are you suggesting, that the porn producers etc cited above (4,381) are lying?

Nope, just that your (and CS's) argument is bollocks, as usual