Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[Vixen]

Even excusing Vixen's odd use of "hill" to mean "Hill sphere", what does it even mean for the moon to theoretically achieve its Hill sphere?

Just exactly how does a body "theoretically achieve its Hill sphere"? I'm convinced that a lot of this stuff that Vixen says isn't even wrong, I don't think there's even a coherent idea behind these kind of posts, especially when she tries to be technical and talks about Hill spheres and geopositioning, etc. which is why we got non-responses when she's asked for clarification.

I don't have time to waste playing silly word games. Instead of focusing on random words, try taking in the idea instead, and then you won't get stuck at the first fence.

 

[Vixen]

Circular nonsense argument. You thought it suspicious Ektachrome 160 wasn't sold to the public if it was so good. But it was sold and was very popular. Now you're decrying NASA for choosing it just because it was popular. Which is some nonsense you just invented in your head. And you appear to be implying it couldn't be any good really because your photographer pals all used Ilford. But Ilford were famous for their black and white negative films and not their colour films. I never knew anyone who preferred to use Ilford colour film.

Haha. It is patently obvious I was referring to the bespoke Moon edition of Ektachrome. Or do you suspect what Percy suspects, that it's non-existent as it wasn't actually needed as it never happened?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

The point being made the dangers of deep Space radiation (as opposed to LEO) to health.

Neither involves radioactive substances so what point did you imagine you were making in talking about decontamination?

 

[Vixen]

Ilford color film is not actually made by Ilford. No one uses Ilford color film who knows better.

That's Andy Ross's stupidity in mentioning it.

 

[zooterkin]

That's Andy Ross's stupidity in mentioning it.

You were the one who brought it up.

Just because something's a best seller with the public, doesn't= quality. All the photographers I knew used Ilford.

 

[Vixen]

Those aren't any debunker arguments.

It's what they wish for.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Haha. It is patently obvious I was referring to the bespoke Moon edition of Ektachrome. Or do you suspect what Percy suspects, that it's non-existent as it wasn't actually needed as it never happened?

As usual you do not address the points you reply to. Why do you imply Ilford film would have been a better choice? Because it was popular with your pals?

 

[Vixen]

@Vixen wrote:


Then I wrote:


Whatever she meant by putting "hill" in cautionary quotes is irrelevant. What I thought she might have meant is irrelevant, which is why I didn't try to figure it out or question her on it. I just mimicked her use of quotes. The only meaning that Hill holds in Hill Sphere is the name of its discoverer, George Hill. I don't have to plumb the depths of her misconception here to know that whatever she might have meant is wrong.

But as usual, @Vixen can't handle the actual arguments so she just has to make up crap and cram it in everyone else's mouths.

It was in quotation marks because it was a shorthand colloquialism.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I don't have time to waste playing silly word games. Instead of focusing on random words, try taking in the idea instead, and then you won't get stuck at the first fence.

OK. What was the idea behind theoretically achieving its hill?

 

[zooterkin]

It was in quotation marks because it was a shorthand colloquialism.

For what?

 

[Vixen]

As usual you do not address the points you reply to. Why do you imply Ilford film would have been a better choice? Because it was popular with your pals?

Don't twist my words. I did not say it was a better choice. I was responding to JayUtah gushing like a starstruck schoolboy as to how "iconic" Ektachrome was, being incredibly popular with the public. I simply pointed out that the snob photographers I knew all preferred Ilford.

 

[Vixen]

For what?

You can look up what is meant by the Moon's "hill" on the web.

 

[Vixen]

As usual you do not address the points you reply to. Why do you imply Ilford film would have been a better choice? Because it was popular with your pals?

I was countering JayUtah's apparent belief that 'popular' equates to 'best'. Being market leader often has no correlation at all with level of quality. I was correcting a common misconception.

 

[zooterkin]

You can look up what is meant by the Moon's "hill" on the web.

No, you tell us what you were using 'hill' as a "shorthand colloquialism" for.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Don't twist my words. I did not say it was a better choice. I was responding to JayUtah gushing like a starstruck schoolboy as to how "iconic" Ektachrome was, being incredibly popular with the public. I simply pointed out that the snob photographers I knew all preferred Ilford.

So you don't know of any better choice than the film they selected. And you already acknowledged it would take many seconds exposure to photograph stars with it. You could just have said that and not wasted all this time.

 

[Vixen]

OK. What was the idea behind theoretically achieving its hill?

You can look it up on wiki. You seemed to have had no problem understanding the concept before, so I assume you are being frivolous.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I was countering JayUtah's apparent belief that 'popular' equates to 'best'. Being market leader often has no correlation at all with level of quality. I was correcting a common misconception.

No you weren't. You were trying to stuff words in his mouth and it was pretty pathetic.

 

[zooterkin]

I was countering JayUtah's apparent belief that 'popular' equates to 'best'. Being market leader often has no correlation at all with level of quality. I was correcting a common misconception.

No, you were just demonstrating your ignorance. Ilford produce monochrome film stock, not colour. And the colour film sold under their name is inferior, so not suitable for the Apollo missions.

 

[Vixen]

So you don't know of any better choice than the film they selected. And you already acknowledged it would take many seconds exposure to photograph stars with it. You could just have said that and not wasted all this time.

Er, NASA commissioned the Ektachrome bods to provide the film for Apollo.

 

[zooterkin]

You can look it up on wiki. You seemed to have had no problem understanding the concept before, so I assume you are being frivolous.

At the very least, if you're not capable of expressing the concept in your own words, a link to the relevant page and position within it of this explanation, please.