Apollo 11 Moon Landing Revisited: Hoax ~vs~ Debunk

[Mojo]

It wasn't a joke. At least not one you intended to make. You seemed pretty serious when you were sharing illustrative accounts of someone dying young of bone cancer, and someone else having a child born with a birth defect that you suggested could have been a result of exposure to radioactive samples. Or are you in the habit of including such anecdotes in your jokes?

Here's the 'joke' in question:

OK, so the frogmen sprayed the capsule with 'chemicals' to 'kill the Moon germs'. Then they sloshed the astronauts inside with same. They got them to change clothes in case of 'Moon germs'. Are you serious?! Not a single mention of the extremely dangerous possibility of radiation..?

An older sibling and a friend as part of their (British) degrees, spent a year at Grenoble Uni in which they spent time with radioactive materials (Chemistry course). After EVERY session they had to undergo intensive decontamination and scrub downs. I can't remember the exact details now. This would have been a similar era - early to mid-70's - so you can't argue the dangers of radiation weren't known then. The thing is, the friend subsequently died young of bone cancer, still in 30's or 40's with small children, so it was incredibly sad. A child of my sibling was born with a birth defect, possibly congenital, and thankfully, easily rectified by surgery. Now, of course, we don't know it was because of the time spent at Grenoble but for NASA to believe 'germs' are the main problem makes me realise it's not serious. Spraying with chemicals indeed.

Well, that's one debating point.

ETA: Incidentally, Vixen, do you have any examples of non-congenital birth defects?

 

[JayUtah]

Here's the 'joke' in question:

I'll admit I was laughing, but for a different reason.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Exposure to large doses (or even long-term lower doses) of radiation causes a high risk of developing cancer or even radiation sickness. Simply spraying an astronaut who has been in a known high-radiation environment with antiseptic tells you NASA obviously didn't think it relevant here. Buzz Aldrin at 95 is still going strong so it's good he never needed any screening. That's luck not prudence.

How about some numbers to quantify both "large doses" and "long-term lower doses"?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Er, Eastman Kodak commissioned a bespoke film for Apollo11.

No.

Claiming they did is like saying my neighbor across the street when I was a kid commissioned Pontiac to build him a bespoke 1961 Catalina when he mustered out of the Army because he checked off the boxes for all the factory options he wanted.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Moon dust is no more radioactive than Earth dust.

I don’t even know where to begin on the “radioactive protons and gamma rays”.

What, you've never opened a box and let in EM radiation, then closed it, trapping the EM radiation inside the box?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Undergoing decontamination procedures does not require you be contaminated by radiation.

Then what were they contaminated with? And, as has been explained to you by people with doctorates in the relevant fields, the lunar surface is not radioactive any more than the ground beneath your feet right now.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Grenoble University has a Department of Nuclear Engineering. Clearly some students will be doing lab work in this environment otherwise they wouldn't need to decontaminate afterwards.

I didn't say they weren't doing lab work, I said they're very unlikely to have been working with anything radioactive enough to cause any health risks. The decontamination is a precaution, because there's a huge difference between spending a couple hours near a sample of a radiation source for educational purposes, and getting a speck of it in your lung, where it's likely never coming out.

The Apollo astronauts were not exposed to radioactive materials, they were exposed to radiation. Radiation exposure requires no decontamination, and indeed you can't be decontaminated from radiation exposure.

You're still just trying to do a back flip onto the balance beam after falling out the window and into the dumpster.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Can I suggest that if you get the chance to go to the Moon you demand a radiation health check on your return? Why skip it?

I went to Richmond, VA last month. Should I have a radiation health check?

What even is a "radiation health check"? Does it involve a Geiger counter?

 

[Reformed Offlian]

What, you've never opened a box ago let in EM radiation, then closed it, trapping the EM radiation inside the box?

He did, but he used Ilford film instead of Ektachrome.

 

[Foster Zygote]

holding up the birdie and saying smile?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Those were Earth protons, not Moon protons.

Moon in the rock, rock in the moon
There's a moon in my throat
You might think I'm wasting time
You might laugh, but not for long
Hey! I'm working it out (work it out)

 

[P.J. Denyer]

What, you've never opened a box ago let in EM radiation, then closed it, trapping the EM radiation inside the box?

Is that why it's always light inside when I look in my fridge?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Is that why it's always light inside when I look in my fridge?

I learned the answer to that from this educational film when I was a kid.

 

[junkshop]

@Vixen, I am lead to believe that you are not a stupid person, and have a good memory*.

Why, then, do you persist in making posts wherein you adopt the persona of a stupid person that doesn't understand how anything works and cannot remember anything that was written more than five seconds ago?

Help out an average-brained normie here, and explain how presenting as an arrogant, ignorant, ill-informed, paranoid and fact-averse fool is in any way advantageous in promoting your purported position, please.

_{*by your several posts claiming exceptional cleverness and recall.}

 

[JesseCuster]

@Vixen, I am lead to believe that you are not a stupid person, and have a good memory*.

I am also lead to believe that Vixen is a person of high debating standards; does not act improperly; is an author, scientist and psychologist; has at least a dozen letters after her name proving her academic and intellectual prowess; can speak several languages fluently; never posts anything that isn't properly cited and referenced unless she qualifies otherwise; is very much a numbers person; can square the circle.....

I've been lead to believe a lot of things about Vixen, I've forgotten some. There may be things in the above list that are not true about Vixen.

 

[Trebuchet]

I think if one is planning a once-in-a-lifetime visit to another planet, then you would want film that is optimal for the condtions, not film that would look good in a glossy magazine. But then, maybe....just maybe...the glossy mags were the aim after all.

Ok, 17 pages behind and won't post this until I've read some more. But if you want to look good in a glossy magazine, you couldn't have done better than Kodachrome. Paul Simon's "nice bright colors" and all that. But it was slow. ASA 25 (for the best pictures) or 64 (slightly less so.) Optimized for the conditions, you want something faster, like Ektachrome, ASA 160.
Wow, still 10 pages behind. I'll post and hope to get somewhat caught up tomorrow.

 

[EHocking]

They should have upgraded to tresimeters. Nowadays they use cincoimeters.

No, no, it goes,
Dometer, Remeter, Mimeter, Someter, Fameter, Lameter, Timeter, Dometer…

Once you know which meters to use, you can measure most anything.

 

[EHocking]

"Colloquialism"

“Erratum”

 

[Reformed Offlian]

No, no, it goes,
Dometer, Remeter, Mimeter, Someter, Fameter, Lameter, Timeter, Dometer…

Once you know which meters to use, you can measure most anything.

In space, no one can hear the lonely goatherd yodel.

 

[EHocking]

In space, no one can hear the lonely goatherd yodel.

That’s what the geopositioned satellites are for…duh…