Zohran Mamdani

[jimbob]

Is that satire?

These days I just can't tell.

Why would you think that?

If they were physical shops selling items that were illegal in New York, the equivalent of Trading Standards would act.

 

[Cain]

Damn Commies, nothing is sacred.

Zohran Kwame Mamdani (D-Uganda) is a godless communist Monday through Thursday, but he's a sinister Islamist Friday-Sunday.

 

[jimbob]

Zohran Kwame Mamdani (D-Uganda) is a godless communist Monday through Thursday, but he's a sinister Islamist Friday-Sunday.

Makes sense

 

[theprestige]

He is talking about illegal e-bilkes and e-scooters

It's not illegal to sell, buy, or own ebikes and escooters of any kind in New York.

Again Mamdani doesn't seem to understand the scope of his authority.

 

[theprestige]

Why would you think that?

If they were physical shops selling items that were illegal in New York, the equivalent of Trading Standards would act.

It's not illegal for physical shops in New York to sell these devices, even if they're not permitted to be ridden on the streets of the city.

 

[kookbreaker]

It's not illegal to sell, buy, or own ebikes and escooters of any kind in New York.

Again Mamdani doesn't seem to understand the scope of his authority.

The ones he is targeting have illegally high speed limits for the city and state of New York.

 

[MostlyHarmless]

Not to mention the non U.L. listed batteries!

 

[theprestige]

The ones he is targeting have illegally high speed limits for the city and state of New York.

That makes them illegal to operate. Not illegal to sell, buy, or own. And that's "illegally high speed limits" for the streets of the city (and/or the state, but the streets of the state aren't his business). It's not illegal to have one in your apartment, or in the trunk of your car as you drive away to your New England vacation. It's not illegal to have it shipped to your New York address. Etc.

Seriously, did your nonsense meter not ping even a little bit, when he said he'd issued "cease and desist" orders?

 

[dirtywick]

my nonsense meter is pinging like crazy

 

[Reformed Offlian]

That makes them illegal to operate. Not illegal to sell, buy, or own. And that's "illegally high speed limits" for the streets of the city (and/or the state, but the streets of the state aren't his business). It's not illegal to have one in your apartment, or in the trunk of your car as you drive away to your New England vacation. It's not illegal to have it shipped to your New York address. Etc.

Seriously, did your nonsense meter not ping even a little bit, when he said he'd issued "cease and desist" orders?

Will nobody think of the poor escooter collectors?

 

[theprestige]

Will nobody think of the poor escooter collectors?

I'm thinking of the poor voters of New York city, whom the mayor apparently thinks he can bamboozle with bizarre claims of powers he doesn't have, and promises he can't keep.

Also, why should escooter collectors be persecuted in this way? They're not doing anything wrong. You can't excuse state overreach by saying the intended victims don't matter.

Why are you so much more invested in trying to rationalize what he does, instead of trying to see if what he's doing is rational?

 

[kookbreaker]

That makes them illegal to operate. Not illegal to sell, buy, or own. And that's "illegally high speed limits" for the streets of the city (and/or the state, but the streets of the state aren't his business). It's not illegal to have one in your apartment, or in the trunk of your car as you drive away to your New England vacation. It's not illegal to have it shipped to your New York address. Etc.

Seriously, did your nonsense meter not ping even a little bit, when he said he'd issued "cease and desist" orders?

This is a bizarre hill you have decided to die on.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Telling his PD and inspectors to focus on illegal and dangerous vehicles is not part of his powers?

 

[theprestige]

This is a bizarre hill you have decided to die on.

Didn't realize my life was in any danger, here. We're arguing about whether the mayor has the authority to order people not to sell legal goods.

Your argument is that if there's restrictions on the use of the goods, that gives the mayor expansive powers to prohibit the sale of those goods. If anything, that's the bizarre hill to die on.

Also, "it's weird that you care that I'm wrong" is not much of a rebuttal. Why is it so important to you to run cover for obvious nonsense?

 

[jimbob]

Telling his PD and inspectors to focus on illegal and dangerous vehicles is not part of his powers?

To be fair, I don't know what the rules around such sales are, but in the UK, they would quite possibly be violating safety legislation

 

[theprestige]

Telling his PD and inspectors to focus on illegal and dangerous vehicles is not part of his powers?

He should absolutely tell his PD to focus on that.

But keep in mind, the vehicles themselves are not illegal in New York. It's only illegal to operate them on the city streets and sidewalks. His PD should be focusing on that.

He doesn't have the authority to order retailers to not sell them. He absolutely should not tell his PD to go after retailers.

 

[theprestige]

To be fair, I don't know what the rules around such sales are, but in the UK, they would quite possibly be violating safety legislation

There's already safety restrictions on their use. Some can only be used in certain ways. Some have to be registered as motor vehicles and operated as such. Some are banned from use outright. None are banned from sale or ownership.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

I'm thinking of the poor voters of New York city,

Of course you are.

 

[jimbob]

There's already safety restrictions on their use. Some can only be used in certain ways. Some have to be registered as motor vehicles and operated as such. Some are banned from use outright. None are banned from sale or ownership.

Are there rules about selling dangerous goods in either New York state, New York city, or the US?

 

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

I'm thinking of the poor voters of New York city, whom the mayor apparently thinks he can bamboozle with bizarre claims of powers he doesn't have, and promises he can't keep.

Also, why should escooter collectors be persecuted in this way? They're not doing anything wrong. You can't excuse state overreach by saying the intended victims don't matter.

Why are you so much more invested in trying to rationalize what he does, instead of trying to see if what he's doing is rational?

Granted, this is from the office of the Mayor, but it does say this:

“Two of the biggest factors of the severity of a traffic crash are the speed and weight of a vehicle, which is why the proliferation of faster, heavier illegal e-mobility devices is such an alarming trend on our streets. While legal e-mobility remains a great option to get around the city, faster illegal e-bikes and scooters are dangerous for everyone who shares our streets, including riders,” said NYC DOT Commissioner Mike Flynn. “These online retailers have allowed New Yorkers to purchase products that are illegal to sell or operate on city streets — and that must come to an end.”

Under New York City law, it is illegal to sell or operate on public streets:

• Motorized stand-up scooters weighing more than 100 pounds or capable of traveling faster than 20 mph.
• E-bikes equipped with electric motors larger than 750 watts or capable of speeds exceeding 25 mph.
• Seated mopeds that do not have and display a valid Vehicle Identification Number (VIN).

Whether that's an existing law that they are now going to enforce with $2,000 penalties per sale - that's the cease and desist order I believe - or are just declaring it now, I do not know.