theprestige
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The city spends about $30million a year, advertising city services. There's no reason to think they would make an exception here.
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Zohran Mamdani
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plague311
Great minds think...
I love that you hate Mamdani so much that now you're acting like you give a flying ◊◊◊◊ about an immigrant corner grocer. That is the absolute best thing I've read in this thread to date. Second only to the "wait and see" crowd literally saying this is a failure, it won't happen, there's no way it'll work before the pilot even ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ starts.
I have to say I'm extremely happy this thread was started. I ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ love seeing the righties, "centrists" and anti-progressives trip over themselves to find reasons why this won't work. It's fun to watch some folks try to do the math to figure out how the 30% savings will come about, and we haven't even seen the base plan.
Keep going guys. There isn't a more entertaining thread to read right now.
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Keep in mind, they only have a very limited amount of these loss leaders every month and it remains to be seen if these are actually items that people want. The reason food deserts exist, outside of one horse towns losing their only grocery store, is because nobody really wants those fresh healthy foodstuffs. Doritos and Coke for dinner, or a kale salad?
Trausti
Illuminator
It's more a child naively spouting that they've figured out the world while the adults watching do a face palm.
Trausti
Illuminator
No. Your're assuming people have agency. That's not very progressive of you.
Apologies, my bad. I'll check myself into a reeducation camp.
I mean everybody knows poor people around the world buy themselves a big-ass sack of beans, another of rice and ensure their daily protein needs are met with those then supplement them with whatever they can get their hands on. I don't know exactly why American poors prefer Yum! brands chemslop but I suspect they're victims of bourgeois pig-dog scum fascist corporate advertising.
kookbreaker
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Food deserts can actually happen in rich urban neighborhoods as well. It may not affect them as much since the wealthy probably have cars. But I grew up in a good neighborhood in Philly and there were no supermarkets to speak of. Just corner stores and some mini-markets.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
One irony here is that Mamdani's list of necessary staples overlaps significantly with the Trump administration's policy on foods that are covered by EBT. So that's an unexpected and refreshing instance of bipartisan agreement on policy.
Trausti
Illuminator
Would the folks in your childhood urban neighborhood have welcomed Walmart?
He's enacted a rent freeze so, it's not like we are pulling this out of nowhere. And as you say, it's been a thing in NYC since 1969, I'm sure they have lots of data showing how it has been successful in ensuring affordable rent in NYC.
I think it would good to include NY city the prompt, I expect those costs are greater there than most everywhere else.
I'd rather see him put all five in a single neighborhood that seems most in need and seeing what happens rather than one in each borrow. Doing that would give a better Idea if its worth expanding or not. Decide what a reasonable walking distance is with a bag of grocery and make sure they are about twice that distance part.
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plague311
Great minds think...
It's actually nothing like that at all considering it's a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ PILOT program that he's testing out with 1 location to see the effects. That's the definition of not thinking he has figured out the world. It definitely looks like he's trying, and I ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ love, Love, LOVE how mad that makes you guys. It's fun seeing the mounds of butthurt happening in this thread because a NYC mayor is trying to keep his people fed and healthier. It just really, really gets to you guys that he's not just sitting on his hands, which you would also bitch about.
Look at the stupid ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ complaints. "The food won't be perfect. The people don't want salads they want bad food. It might cost the city money. He thinks he knows everything" and on, and on, and on.
Mamdani is also making a difference already. He's gotten people, who are known racists, to advocate for the "immigrant grocer on the corner"! He's already unifying people. This thread is more of an example. Look at the way he's brought together the anti-progs, the "centrists" and the right-wing loony toons on this forum to piss and moan about something they have no idea if it'll work or not. It's outstanding. The man really is a unifier of men.
The Atheist
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This entire thread has become a monument to the far-right and the absurd lengths they'll go to to attempt to tear down a high-profile socialist.
A couple of stores are proposed and they're literal;ly frothing at the mouth, screaming reasons why it won't work, without any actual arguments not based on mere incredulity.
As I said the other day, the only hope is they die off faster than the far more intelligent and thoughtful kids reaching voting age.
It's kind of a dance of the desperate - a microcosm of Trump's government: bring down the system before you leave it in a wooden box.
mumblethrax
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I'm not arguing that rent stabilization is a good policy, I'm saying it isn't his policy. It predates him, and it will survive him. The mayor can't actually do anything about it.
Trausti
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Brainster
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It's called skepticism, a quality that seems to be in short supply among DSA types.
The Atheist
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Sadly for your crowd, the stunning decline in religiosity and growth of Green attitudes amongst youth shows that being raised by far-right pieces of ◊◊◊◊ doesn't stop kids from seeing the light.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
The mayor has the sole authority to appoint members to the city's rent guidelines board, which is where the authority to change rent control policies resides. He's literally one of the few people that can do anything about it. Where do you think the rent freeze came from?
Note that this is in stark contrast to, say, raising taxes to subsidize free bus rides in the city. This was one of his campaign promises, but in fact (a) NYC mass transit is managed almost entirely at the state level, including all the buses, (b) the tax scheme he proposed would have to be at the state level also, and (c) he doesn't have enough juice with the governor or the legislature to make it happen.
So that's an example of something he can't actually do anything about. He said he would, but he can't.
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After a bit of a rethink, I've concluded the stores will take on the character of German capitalism in the form Aldi and Lidl. (I realize now the city has warehouses, so that's not a problem.) Unlike Sam's Club or Costco it'll likely contain no name brands, but instead generic items instead, considering slotting and other fees in grocery stores which require selling ten thousand cases per year just to break even.
Segnosaur
Penultimate Amazing
True, rent control has been around for decades (in new york and elsewhere).
The reason i brought it up earlier in the thread is that mamdani is talking about a rent freeze. In other words, taking something that has been a problem for a while and making it worse. (In other words not even allowing an increase to cover basic maintenance costs)