Merged [Ed] Infinite Apirism - The Continuity of the Boundless

[EHocking]

The circle in this design depicts the inclusion of all concepts within the Infinite as they are all depicted by the fundamental concepts in math, namely positive and negative ("+" and "- " within the circle) and the unit/stage/realm (depicted by "I"); the black backround being the Infinite which includes Everything and from which Everything forms and to which everything deforms (and in extent generevery concept conceived to describe eveeything). The center of the design is any arbitrarily taken 0 to divide a segment between negative and positive - ideas/concepts that exist only within the realm of Finite and do not apply to the Infinite.
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What about the bits outside the circle?
Are they larger or smaller than infinity if they are not included in the infinite circle.?

Enquiring minds… etc…

 

[tazanastazio]

What about the bits outside the circle?
Are they larger or smaller than infinity if they are not included in the infinite circle.?

Enquiring minds… etc…

The circle depicts a realm, a stage, a field or a concept (mathematics); the Infinite is everything shown in the image (black background) INCLUDING the aforementioned depiction by the figure in the image.

 

[Dave Rogers]

The circle depicts a realm, a stage, a field or a concept (mathematics); the Infinite is everything shown in the image (black background) INCLUDING the aforementioned depiction by the figure in the image.

When did the concept of the circle first come into existence?

Dave

 

[tazanastazio]

When did the concept of the circle first come into existence?

Dave

This is a wild guess but I would say when one of a multitude of humans in antiquity saw a rock or a trunk of a tree rolling down a hill, and made the link to the concept, and concequently, the function of the wheel.

 

[Steve]

This is a wild guess but I would say when one of a multitude of humans in antiquity saw a rock or a trunk of a tree rolling down a hill, and made the link to the concept, and concequently, the function of the wheel.

Full moon, perhaps?

 

[tazanastazio]

Full moon, perhaps?

Most likely; though the moon is a bit of a remote object. The wheel reference makes more of a fun story and implies of hands on practical application. You see a smudge on a wheel making turns and you extrapolate it conceptually and philosophically.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Do I need to add that time is an emerging characteristic of gravity and influence of forces on objects to explain that the Infinite is not bound to it and that actually time is ONLY the OBSERVED/OBSERVABLE outcome of these interacting forces on matter within our finite Universe, the EFFECT on objects and matter and that it doesn't have actual physical properties or influence as is the case with gravity and energy or the impact of actions and reactions within matter.

In that sense and from that perspective, and regarding the Infinite,


TIME IS AN ILLUSION AND IT DOES NOT EXIST, (let alone it being travellable tsk. tsk...)

Why are you quoting yourself?

 

[Dave Rogers]

This is a wild guess but I would say when one of a multitude of humans in antiquity saw a rock or a trunk of a tree rolling down a hill, and made the link to the concept, and concequently, the function of the wheel.

So are you claiming that, before humans evolved, nothing could possibly have been circular?

Dave

 

[tazanastazio]

Circles existed prior to the emergence of human cognition, but for humanity, circles appeared when human cognition acquired the capacity to recognize them.

In fact, the archetypal circle IS the cycle of Existence. Everything forms from the Infinite and deforms eventually back to the Infinite - hence the following image, which was also posted earlier with the explanation of its meaning.

 

[tazanastazio]

So are you claiming that, before humans evolved, nothing could possibly have been circular?

Dave

Quite the opposite actually Dave.

Circles existed, of course, prior to the emergence of human cognition; but for humanity, circles appeared when human cognition acquired the capacity to recognize them.

In fact, the archetypal circle IS the cycle of Existence. Everything forms from the Infinite and deforms eventually back to the Infinite - hence the following image, which was also posted earlier with the explanation of its meaning.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Quite the opposite actually Dave.

Circles existed, of course, prior to the emergence of human cognition;

So the existence of circles has no beginning, right?

Dave

 

[Steve]

So the existence of circles has no beginning, right?

Dave

Circles existed before our universe did? Interesting concept.

 

[Foster Zygote]

This thread really counterpoints the surrealism of the underlying metaphor.

 

[theprestige]

Quite the opposite actually Dave.

Circles existed, of course, prior to the emergence of human cognition; but for humanity, circles appeared when human cognition acquired the capacity to recognize them.

In fact, the archetypal circle IS the cycle of Existence. Everything forms from the Infinite and deforms eventually back to the Infinite - hence the following image, which was also posted earlier with the explanation of its meaning.

How's that working out for you? Any practical applications yet? Any new, testable predictions? Any deepening of your spiritual health practice? Are you sleeping better at night, armed with this circular knowledge?

 

[EHocking]

The circle depicts a realm, a stage, a field or a concept (mathematics); the Infinite is everything shown in the image (black background) INCLUDING the aforementioned depiction by the figure in the image.

But you said previously,

The circle in this design depicts the inclusion of all concepts within the Infinite …

So s the infinite all of the black background (and where does it end) or inside the circle (and how can the infinite be inside something)?

Make up your mind.

 

[EHocking]

This thread really counterpoints the surrealism of the underlying metaphor.

You can guarantee that the OP will not fathom this allusion.

 

[tazanastazio]

So the existence of circles has no beginning, right?

Dave

An arbitrary point chosen on a circle—like a smudge on a wheel—is simultaneously a beginning and an end.

The same thought applies to a line drawn on a board: which point on either visible edge is the true beginning, and which is the end? Furthermore, that line can be divided an infinite number of times. At what point do the drawn beginning and ending points actually separate from the infinite? The same question applies to the line itself, or to anything else we can conceive.

The existence of circular objects has a beginning when they are formed from the Infinite, and an end when they deform back into it. This is true for everything else within the Infinite. Only the Infinite itself has no beginning and no end. Consequently, there is no such thing as "absolute nothing" within or around the Infinite.

In fact, if even a speck of absolute nothing existed—which would be an infinity in itself—the concept of the infinite would be nullified. As a consequence, absolute nothingness would be all that existed.

I use the term "absolute nothing" to describe a complete, utter, and absolute emptiness of space. Had such a space existed, it would possess a boundary, unless it were infinite. If it had a boundary, that edge would render it a distinct field or realm of absolute nothing, which inherently makes it "something."

Furthermore, whether this absolute nothing were finite or infinite, it would render everything else finite. This would imply that all things were formed out of absolute nothing and would linger only until they deformed back into it. If that were the case, this finite "everything" would have to be formed out of a finite or infinite nothingness, which is a logical contradiction. Therefore, if absolute nothing existed, the infinite could not. And if the Infinite did not exist, nothing else could either—let alone human cognition to contemplate about it; or observe, or conceive anything within it.

This aligns with the laws of physics: energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only change form. It must come from somewhere and go somewhere. It cannot emerge from absolute nothing, nor can it vanish into absolute nothing. It can only form and deform into something else.

 

[Joe Random]

This thread really counterpoints the surrealism of the underlying metaphor.

... of whatever the thread was about.

 

[tazanastazio]

But you said previously,


So s the infinite all of the black background (and where does it end) or inside the circle (and how can the infinite be inside something)?

Make up your

But you said previously,


So s the infinite all of the black background (and where does it end) or inside the circle (and how can the infinite be inside something)?

Make up your mind.

I did make up my mind and I am certain of it.

Think of it as the infinite toward the macrocosm and the infinite toward the microcosm. The Infinite permeates everything observable and conceivable, simultaneously including and surpassing All.

 

[tazanastazio]

You can guarantee that the OP will not fathom this allusion.

I fathom it completely. The tension between analytical logic and surreal metaphysics was intentional—using structural precision to map an unbound Infinite is the entire point of the thread.

Appreciate the elegant breakdown Foster Zygote—and my apologies to EHocking for breaking the assumption.